Please Reinstate the Option of Choice to Use the Old Publishing Format
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@jeremeylduvall
Are you honestly just ignoring six pages of feedback? We know how to get to the classic editor. We want the ability to click Edit on posts on our blogs and get to the classic editor directly. We don’t want to go from viewing the blog, to the WP-Admin dash, to All Posts, to searching for the specific post, to editing it. It’s what we said several months ago and it’s what we’re still saying now. -
If you find yourself continuously switching back to the Classic Editor, we would love to hear what particular features you’re missing in the New Editor!
The new editor doesn’t have Add Form or Add Poll options, it’s missing the writing helper, it doesn’t display all categories nor the most used tags, it completely ignores numeric tags, and as @timethief pointed out at https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/please-reinstate-the-option-of-choice-to-use-the-old-publishing-format/page/5?replies=161#post-2312798 there are pages and pages of threads, not posts, of reports on the new editor losing content when saving. All these issues were reported months ago and the only response we’re getting is that it’s being made ever more difficult to use the classic editor.
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Sorry to jump in here but also, in the hope that someone at WP is reading this and taking is seriously, please, please, reinstate the old stats page, or at least the ability to see the TOTAL number of blog views. We NEED this information
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We know how to get to the classic editor. We want the ability to click Edit on posts on our blogs and get to the classic editor directly. We don’t want to go from viewing the blog, to the WP-Admin dash, to All Posts, to searching for the specific post, to editing it. It’s what we said several months ago and it’s what we’re still saying now.
there are pages and pages of threads, not posts, of reports on the new editor losing content when saving. All these issues were reported months ago and the only response we’re getting is that it’s being made ever more difficult to use the classic editor.
I totally agree, @kokkieh
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@kokkieh –
Are you honestly just ignoring six pages of feedback?
No! I’m going through the posts right now. Sorry if I made it seem otherwise. I’ll add that clarification to my original post. 6 pages just takes some time. :)
We want the ability to click Edit on posts on our blogs and get to the classic editor directly.
I understand. For now, the best plan of attack is to go through the wp-admin URL you’re familiar with. We’re trying to bring the New Editor up to the level of the Classic Editor. As we do this, it’s helpful to get feedback on exactly what features are causing you to resort back to the Classic Editor. If you haven’t tried the New Editor for several months since it was first released, I would ask you to please give it another try.
The new editor doesn’t have Add Form or Add Poll options
It’s on our list!
it’s missing the writing helper
We will not be adding this feature to the new editor.
it completely ignores numeric tags
That’s on our list of bugs to fix!
There are pages and pages of threads, not posts, of reports on the new editor losing content when saving.
Understood, and we’re trying to track down why these are occurring. Those are certainly painful. We certainly don’t want users to lose their content when creating at WordPress.com regardless of whether it’s the New Editor or Classic Editor.
If you use this link from your Dashboard, you will be taken to the Classic stats page:
We’re working on adding in an all-time stat!
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@jeremeylduvall
The reason I switch back to the old editor (I used to keep it there as my default so all I had to do was click the icon) is that it is infinitely easier to use on my iPad. I post only from a mobile device in this ever increasing mobile society. The classic is easier to use and understand, it allows much clearer choice of options for me as I post and edit. Things are not hidden behind tabs but right there for use.
The new beep bop bop thing is quirky, frustrating and not intuitive like the classic. It does not display well on my iPad as it is too crowded and small.
….and yes the WordPress app is installed on my devices, iPad and iPhone, but the classic editor is still much better.
I started blogging just last June 2014 and had the choice of both editors since shortly after I started, I have tried the new one several times and classic is far superior. So I’m not one of the bloggers that used the classic for years and hate change, I had a choice right after starting and chose the more intuitive one which is the classic.
Please restore the button to switch back.
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No! I’m going through the posts right now. Sorry if I made it seem otherwise. I’ll add that clarification to my original post. 6 pages just takes some time. :)
Understood.
We’re trying to bring the New Editor up to the level of the Classic Editor.
I’m not a programmer, but common sense tells me (and other users in this thread have already stated it) that you make sure something works before you roll it out, not to mention making it the default option. Unless, of course, you don’t mind being compared to Microsoft. Then we’re not even talking about how long this new editor has been around in one incarnation or another, and each as buggy as the next.
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Hi All,
Please see below. I combed through the thread and tried to address each specific issue mentioned. Please note, it wasn’t feasible to address general complaints. If you have specific feedback regarding an issue, please reply back here. I’ll keep going through and collecting your input.
I noticed several of you are worried that we’re planning to remove the Classic Editor. Please know that is not the plan. Also, I didn’t address any issues with the stats page. Please open a new thread if you have specific issues with that interface.
The older publishing platform did not have issues that caused security features in my browser to alert me every few minutes to intrusive programs running in the background.
Can you let me know what browser you’re using? You can find out by visiting here:
Also, have you replicated this across other browsers? I don’t get that warning when using the New Editor.
With the old format I don’t have to recreate categories and tags with each new post.
Using the Tags and Categories module on the left-hand side of the editor, you should be able to select categories and tags you’ve already added to your site. By default, the list will display 20 categories/tags in each list arranged in alphabetical order. However, as you type, the menu should filter depending on the input.
It is important that I be able to set the time for each post. It is my system for ordering my work and has nothing to do with “scheduling”.
Regardless of whether you’re using the Classic Editor or the New Editor, setting a post for a future date is referred to as scheduling. Both editors should behave the same way in this fashion. Could you elaborate on the difference you’re experencing?
I’m unable to tag new pages to a home page
I’m not quite sure what you’re referring to here. Could you pass along the URL of the page where you’re having this issue?
What I want to do is to change dates on my posts. I run a lost and found site for animals in Darwin (Australia) and I want to repost those animals which have been lost for a long time. Under the reschedule it appears I can only reschedule for a time in the future and not for the immediate. I used to be able to do this with the classic editor.
If you select “Schedule” from the list and then set the date to sometime previously, the date should still be updated like usual. The button, however, will read “Schedule” instead of “Update.” I’ll raise that issue to our developers! It should probably say “Update” if you’re setting it to a past date.
so with the new editor, if the cache is emptied you lose all your drafts?? I have dozens of drafts. They are my “lab” for future posts. Am I going to lose them once the classic editor is shut down??
No – that is not true. The new editor stores unsaved details in your browser’s cache. So, if you were working on a draft that you hadn’t saved and your browser crashed, re-opening your browser should bring back all of your work (since it’s saved in the cache). However, as soon as you click “Save” on a draft, it’s saved within your blog like normal (just like the Classic Editor). Emptying your cache will cause you to lose any unsaved drafts.
The new editor is a mess! In HTML mode it CUTS my posting in Safari/OS X. That means I just can’t scroll fully down to the end of the posting (hard to believe, it’s 2015, isn’t it?) but at least it (the rest of the code) is there. So I have to copy/cut the code and edit in OS X’ editor, copy & paste again to WP. There is no COPY POST function (need that often).
That’s odd – I’m not experiencing this in Safari (and it certainly doesn’t sound like intended behavior). Can you let me know what version of Safari you’re using? You can find out here:
Also, are you experiencing the same thing in Chrome or Firefox?
(Regarding missing features)
numerous other posts (to copy)
The “Copy a Post” feature will not be brought into the New Editor.
a category tree
a collection of frequently used tags.
When you click on the field for either categories or tags, you should be presented with your 20 first categories/tags in alphabetical order. You’re correct in that there isn’t any hierarchy support for categories. As you type, the list should be filtered to match your input.
on my computer the entire layout of the new editor is borked. I have a box for the title of the post at the top of the page but have to scroll right down past all the various options for posts just to get to the box for the post contents. With the tags not saving, this means that I am constantly having to scroll up and down the entire page to add tags as I work on my posts.
This does sound borked indeed. Can you try clearing your browser’s cache and make sure you’re using the latest version of either Chrome or Firefox?
like many, having TWO DIFFERENT EDITORS open depending on what you do is VERY confusing!
I can definitely understand where you’re coming from. We’re trying to reduce the confusion here by increasing the parity of experiences across WordPress.com (blue accent colors) while still keeping wp-admin in the current style of self-hosted sites using WordPress.org software.
And why does everything have to open a new tab? Are there any settings to change that some where?
There is not.
@fearsomebear
The reason I switch back to the old editor (I used to keep it there as my default so all I had to do was click the icon) is that it is infinitely easier to use on my iPad.
Can you elaborate on some of the features that make the classic editor easier to use than the iPad app? From my own personal use, I tend to prefer the app, but I’d love to get your input.
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I’m not a programmer, but common sense tells me (and other users in this thread have already stated it) that you make sure something works before you roll it out, not to mention making it the default option. Unless, of course, you don’t mind being compared to Microsoft. Then we’re not even talking about how long this new editor has been around in one incarnation or another, and each as buggy as the next.
And common sense is all you need.
I do work in software delivery and to implement a ‘replacement’ of an existing service, where the replacement is sub standard in it’s functionality is a simply terrible customer experience.
To deliver a replacement which is buggy happens, granted – but usually only where testing is lacking. Considering no-one asked for this, why the rush to deploy, and therefore why the bugs?
And to remove the option of using the original module when you know the replacement is still buggy, and ill-received, is really unforgivable.
This new editor is clearly still a Beta. It has known bugs and missing functionality. Therefore the original must remain the default option until it is anything other.
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@jeremeylduvall
This is such a fiasco. It’s been going on for ages and has created so much inconvenience not to mention the 24 pages of threads tagged with “recovering a lost post or page“. Check out this feedback https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/lost-draft-now-lost-it-entirely?replies=3#post-2313189Bottom line: If there is any possibility of NUKING the new editor and sending into cyber-history forevermore do it and I will sing an Aria for you that will shatter wine glasses.
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on my computer the entire layout of the new editor is borked. I have a box for the title of the post at the top of the page but have to scroll right down past all the various options for posts just to get to the box for the post contents. With the tags not saving, this means that I am constantly having to scroll up and down the entire page to add tags as I work on my posts.
This does sound borked indeed. Can you try clearing your browser’s cache and make sure you’re using the latest version of either Chrome or Firefox?
The problem you are encountering here I also encountered.
I adjusted the zoom setting (reduced) in my browser (in my case by holding CTRL and spinning my mouse wheel). This shrunk the page slightly and the page re-aligned the side bar with the edit window.
That said, I have not been able to recreate the problem by re-increasing the zoom, so this may not be the cause of your issue.
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Bottom line: If there is any possibility of NUKING the new editor and sending into cyber-history forevermore do it and I will sing an Aria for you that will shatter wine glasses.
LOL
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Until just now, I’d been blissfully ignorant of the deletion of our easy access to the classic editor and this thread. Forcing me back into or through the Beep Beep Baloney editor in order to get to the classic editor that WordPress PROMISED would not be removed is a terrible violation of that promise. If you wanted us to try the new editor again, you could have just asked.
I’ll offer one suggestion: If you want me to try the new editor again, if you want to impress me with how spiffy and improved and professional the new editor is, get rid of the damn Beep Beep Boop screen! It’s insulting, infantile, and an immediate indication that nothing has changed. (If you still need a loading screen for the new editor, then it still isn’t fast enough.)
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Bottom line: If there is any possibility of NUKING the new editor and sending into cyber-history forevermore do it and I will sing an Aria for you that will shatter wine glasses.
Here, here.
There is NOTHING wrong with the classic editor.
So why the hell replace it?#changeforchangesake
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And what of my issue?
The hanging progress bar at the top of the page, whereby the the page/post is neither saved/published nor editable? – the only option to be the refresh of the page and the loss of the content?
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(If you still need a loading screen for the new editor, then it still isn’t fast enough.)
Bang on.
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Jeremy Duvall: I would just like to repeat the main problem for many of us: We are perfectly capable of getting to the classic editor. But it’s wa-a-a-a-ay more complicated now.
We need to be able to get instant access to the classic editor by doing what I do (or used to be able to do): Click on edit above the post on the blog page and enter my post’s classic mode. You simply cannot do that now.
I don’t understand all the back and forth about this URL and that access point. Anyone who blogs – and I’m not sure how many happiness engineers actually blog – would understand this instantly and not resist and redirect.
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Apparently WP needed more unpaid beta testers for their “new, too-blue” editor so they eliminated the link back to the classic editor.
“As we’ve continued to add to and improve the new editor, we are seeing very low usage of the link back to the Classic Editor.”
Until this elimination the choice to use the classic editor was cookie dependent. Unless one clears their cookies, they will be unaware of this elimination of the link back to the classic editor. When I close my browser down and then reload it, the WP cookies were not deleted. Even running CCleaner beforehand didn’t delete the WP cookies. Only when I clicked to clear all cookies in my browser did I even know that WP eliminated the link.
My guess is that there are many, many bloggers who are unaware of this problem and are continuing to use the classic editor (not clicking the link because they didn’t have to).
Personally I have posted less for the past year because of this and other changes WP has made.
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Personally I have posted less for the past year because of this and other changes WP has made.
You are not alone. I have set up another site elsewhere and may choose to move both of my blogs and the domains I purchased here there by this summer.
@jeremeylduvall
If developers truly act to address WordPress.com user needs to improve our blogging experience then how can they do that without directly communicating with WordPress.com users prior to making changes?If we WordPress.com users provide feedback that is filtered by support staff, who act as go-betweens between WordPress.com users and developers, and we do not see them respond positively to what we users declare to be our needs then how can we maintain any confidence in this operation, and not become incensed by the ridiculous claim that they are improving our blogging experience when they are accomplishing the opposite?
As a desk top user my blogging experience that used to be easy and enjoyable has turned into an exhausting click, scroll, click, click, click steeplechase that’s such a piss off that I set up a site elsewhere.
And, what is this all aimed to do? It’s aimed to serve the needs of mobile users. And, what do they use a blog for, despite the fact they may not even own toothbrushes? Why posting selfies, reblogs and other “microblog” entries don’t you know. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
The changes being imposed on us WordPress.COM desk top users who publish quality content, as opposed to those who post selfies, reblogs, etc. are presumably being made to accommodate the mobile users, who are free to fly off and set up on Tumblr, where they will find a community of microbloggers just like them, and they can do so free of charge at anytime.
Our feedback in multple forum threads produces no positive results so are we conclude that these mysterious “developers” are working under orders from TPTB, and that TPTB are issuing orders to them based on the agendas of their investors?
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@dandelionsalad For whatever reason, I didn’t get hit with this latest boondoggle until today. But I haven’t deleted any cookies for a long time. So WordPress changed something on their end.
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