Please Reinstate the Option of Choice to Use the Old Publishing Format
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The new editor is complete bullshit.
I have since the new editor has no control over my categories any more.
I can not judge whether subcategories are sorted correctly, a category in which I made a typo, exestiert now as a separate category.
The trick with the dashboard on the old editor does not work. I will probably have to look around for a new blog service. Fortunately, the new editor was installed before I paid for a premium service.
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@windwhistle you are correct. I am a programmer/analyst, and develop apps for both mobile and desktop. I NEVER code with my damn mobile device. I test on mobile devices for functionality but never code on it.
The idea that a) WP refuses to listen to the community about how the classic editor is far better, b) they don’t understand revisions (but I can bet you if you mention “source management”, they would understand it…) and c) the fact that it is no skin off their noses to put the link back to the CE and refuse to do so reaffirms what others have been saying here
some effing brain trust at WP decided that was the way to go. They never have blogged, no nothing about blogging, have no clue what bloggers do, but hey, mobile devices – all the cool kids are using it. And they have a mission statement and they are sticking by it, come hell or high water.
great – WP – the place to blog your fricking selfies. Isn’t that what instagram and twitter is for?
Also, if google DRIVE can understand the need for revisions, I am shocked that WP cannot.
Google needs to get into this business now. WP has gone down the toilet with this beep beep boop childish editor that lacks functionality, is hard to read, and is designed for the village idiot.
yeah, I am pissed off.
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great – WP – the place to blog your fricking selfies. Isn’t that what instagram and twitter is for?
Don’t forget Tumblr.
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@tt GMTA! I was just wondering the same thing about the removal of tinyMCE in core WPorg, but frankly will be floored if we get an honest answer here.
@jeremeylduvall-If the whole purpose of this is to make an interface that is usable across devices, then release it when it is usable on all devices, not before.
Right now the entire content creation process is confusing even to users familiar with the platform. One wrong click and you’re whisked away to an entirely different interface that you may or may not want to use. What about people new to the platform? The Support docs are no help any longer as the New Dash isn’t really mentioned there in any depth and when it is, there are screenshots that are 2 years old.
Stability and familiarity with the platform are essential to happy content creation. Because at the heart of it all, it’s all about ease of content creation. Without that, user retention will be in the pits.
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@ nomadenseele
The trick with the dashboard on the old editor does not work.
Which trick?
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@ hopnut,
I can’t help feeling that sadly, the Classic’s days, ultimately, are numbered…
I concede…
And that day will come…
I can waste no more energy on this. The battle is lost…
Bottom line is, New Ed is the future…
Now I really am done. :-)This is just the sort of fatalism that WP is counting in. It won’t help our cause.
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@justjennifer
I do expect an honest answer to my questions here https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/please-reinstate-the-option-of-choice-to-use-the-old-publishing-format/page/12?replies=364#post-23197881. Is the long term game plan to develop the new editor here at WordPress.COM and then bundle that new editor into WordPress.ORG software installs in the future?
2. If the answer is yes (don’t equivocate please) then will WordPress.ORG software users be able to remove it from their installs and use the TinyMCE editor instead?
And, if Support Staff have been muzzled by TPTB then I expect them to say so because I cannot handle the stress of being treated this way. Obviously, I did not expect to be faced with this prior to my retirement, which I hoped would be a smooth transition that would have no negative health impacts induced by unnecessary stress like this.
As you know I have two blogs on their own domains with No-Ads upgrades. Removing domain mapping upgrade results in broken internal links in every post wherein I linked to my earlier posts and with over 700 posts in one and over 1000 in the other that’s thousands of links.
The site redirect cannot be used to revert those internal links back underlying .wordpress.com URLs. Hence, I renewed the domain mapping and No-Ads upgrades.
Moving content to a WordPress.ORG install is not rocket science, as you well know (lol), but the unattached images do present problems, and we cannot download the entire media library. We can only migrate the attached images.
So either I put up with being treated like a mushroom being kept in the dark and fed sh-it. Or I move the content and domains into a WordPress.ORG install. Or I say f____ it! and move to Blogger. The Blogger editor is intuitive and easy to use. There are none of the barriers to blogging enjoyment we experience here.
So, I`m waiting for Jeremy to respond to my questions honestly.
Very sad about this — very sad. :(
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This is just the sort of fatalism that WP is counting on. It won’t help our cause.
I doubt my fatalism alone will damage the cause to any great degree :-)
It’s just what I think…
I hope very much that I am wrong and that WP prove themselves to give a damn after all, about the end users’ experience.However, it seems there is clear bloodymindedness at work here.
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I refuse to be part of the WordPress exploitation of experienced members.
I am amazed at how helpful member’s comments have been…and how enlightening!
Considering the following comments as a summary:
the11thwave
@Every member who commented
We need to be consistent in our demand.
If we continually give ground by providing links and long lists of ways to work around the removal of the Classic editor button, we are defeating the entire purpose of the topic, which was to reinstate it and cut the crap!
The only way for everyone to win is to –
1- Let WP do what they want with the new editor. It’s a non-issue.
2-Consistently demand the reinstatement of the Classic Editor toggle button.
3-Unanimously INSIST that the Classic editor NEVER be abandoned, or only accessible through elaborate workarounds.
Not reinstating the quick access button is not an option we are willing to discuss with the developers. We Insist it be reinstated. We demand it!
And this excellent description of the game WordPress are playing with us from musicdoc1
@ the11thwave,
I commend your enthusiasm, but I don’t agree with the premise. Asking for the return of the link from the new editor to the classic is not enough. We shouldn’t be hijacked to the new editor at all. That is a graver concern. They (WP) evidently weren’t getting the percentage of users going to and using the new editor that they hoped for, so they devised a couple of new tricks to coerce the unwary into visiting, staying on, and getting used to the new editor. It’s indoctrination. Here’s the tricks:
1. Redirect links which formerly went to the classic editor to the new editor. Evidently they’ve been doing essentially the same thing for a few months at log in for some members, directing them to My Sites or the Reader instead of the classic dashboard, though I’ve yet to experience this.
2. Remove the link from the new editor to the classic editor.It’s a deliberate trap for the unwary, and an insulting annoyance for those who understand the game WP is playing.
And this list of questions from timethief:
@justjennifer
I do expect an honest answer to my questions here https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/please-reinstate-the-option-of-choice-to-use-the-old-publishing-format/page/12?replies=364#post-23197881. Is the long term game plan to develop the new editor here at WordPress.COM and then bundle that new editor into WordPress.ORG software installs in the future?
2. If the answer is yes (don’t equivocate please) then will WordPress.ORG software users be able to remove it from their installs and use the TinyMCE editor instead?
And, if Support Staff have been muzzled by TPTB then I expect them to say so because I cannot handle the stress of being treated this way.
So either I put up with being treated like a mushroom being kept in the dark and fed sh-it. Or I move the content and domains into a WordPress.ORG install. Or I say f____ it! and move to Blogger. The Blogger editor is intuitive and easy to use. There are none of the barriers to blogging enjoyment we experience here.
So, I`m waiting for Jeremy to respond to my questions honestly.
How do we proceed to –
- reclaim m our power – because this has become a power struggle
- express our outrage while refusing to be beta testers or participate in this experiment
- get direct answers to the questions posed by timethief
- maintain access to the Classic editor
If there is no solution satisfying to the members, the only other option is to abandon WordPress and use another platform. There are choices. What ones appeal to participants of this discussion?
timethief liked the intuitive responsive Blogger editor.
At the moment, I am considering moving to Drupal where I would integrate all of my separate news sites into a single dynamic website using a platform that caters to serious journalists, not the shallow selfie culture.
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“@musicdoc1
This is just the sort of fatalism that WP is counting in. It won’t help our cause.
Surely, you jest. It has been repeatedly stated that the missing classic editor link will not be restored. Staff are intent on co-opting feedback that will assist in the development of an editor those posting here do not want to use. And, I have avoided playing that co-option game because it is an insult to our intelligence that has been played here before and I`m an old hand when it comes to avoiding being co-opted.
The bloggers posting to this thread have these things in common:
(1) They do not like and do not want to use the new editor.
(2) They want the link to the classic editor that has been removed restored.The comments in this thread reporting this, that or the other undesired behavior in the new editor, or missing features found in the new editor simply provides all the fodder that Staff need to co-opt them into developing an editor those posting here do not want or need.
In fact posting that kind of feedback here simply steered Staff away from addressing the underlying issue ie. bloodymindedness, utter disregard for end user feedback, and that points to the Staff agenda which is develop the new editor based on end user feedback from the co-opted.
This thread may have been effective if and only if those who posted into it simply stated :
(1) I do not like the new editor and do not want to use the new editor.
(2) I want the link to the classic editor that has been removed restored because the removal has caused me unnecessary stress and wasted time.If that had happened here and all the reports on what was not appreciated when using the new editor, and/or what was missing from it had been posted into another separate thread then IMO this thread may have had more impact.
Clearly the battle to have Staff restore the link to the classic editor to the new editor has been lost, just like every battle that came before it. And IMO what you said to hopnut indicates that you do not get that fact that it is over now, except for the weeping and moaning of the losers ie. the end users who were ignored when they stuck to the intent of this thread.
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@hopnut … There is no doubt at all that it is plain bloodymindedness … and it is petty and mean. Which leads me to believe these changes are being forced upon us by either a younger inexperienced group of “engineers” … who overlooked the communication dangers of labeling themselves “happiness” engineers … and think “beep beep boop” is clever. Or another generation which is trying to be “trendy” and isn’t quite sure of the parameters involved. This is obviously not the work of experienced site designers.
A good point was made here … how many people actually WRITE their blogs on their cells and tablets … I mean people who are blogging not using WordPress as another Twitter venue. How many people in WordPress management are working on the tiny Iphone and tablet screens for their MAIN text work? Not for tweets and twitters. For actual WRITING.
We already have Twitter and Facebook … WordPress should be an entirely separate mind set. And that is its strength.
I do not believe in “throwing in the towel”. Certain changes WERE made to the horrendous stats page after many people protested. It’s still a mess … but little by little basic changes WERE implemented. I am confident that the management is aware of our comments and that while some of the juniors might like to posture and strut and show off their power by their intransigent responses … ultimately the higher level managers will see some sense.
Commonsense says that not offering a choice is stubborness … and very short-sighted. I can’t believe higher level management would support this. And that the best business course is always to keep as many customers “happy” as possible.
What is the problem with CHOICE? If Pepsi can wend its way through disaster after disaster to finally arrive at a point where they realize choice is best ( no less than THREE choices for diet Pepsi … classic, taste modified and aspartame-free ) surely WordPress can take a hint from them.
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There is no doubt that WP have devised a two-part trap (redirect links to where they want you to go, and eliminate easy escape) to try make people use and get used to the new editor, as I’ve explained here. But our response to this trickery is vital. If none of us visits the new editor, and we encourage others to do the same, showing them the superior alternative, then we have a chance to reverse the tide.
When there are two sides in opposition, whether it be a debate, chess match, sports competition, the side which is saying “It’s over,” “What’s the use?,” “We can’t possibly win this thing,” etc. is by their thoughts and actions (drooped shoulders, hopeless look) only encouraging the other side, and making it more likely that the result they envision (losing) will come to pass.
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This thread will be closed soon to shut people up. But, as nikkitytom says, don’t give up. There are clearly management problems at WP.
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Responding to my earlier statement that I’d been unable to find Revisions in the new editor, on page 7 jeremeyduvall said,
Revisions will not be included in the New Editor. Could you let us know how often you find yourself using revisions and the circumstance that causes you to revert to a revision? Personally, I rarely find myself using post revisions.
It took me awhile to get to it, because I was responding separately, one at a time, to some of the various points he’d covered in the same post. On page 8, I made a brief argument against this elimination, here, which I followed with a list of common circumstances in which I use revisions on page 9.
Other objections to this change immediately followed (on pages 8,9). Those voicing opinions regarding the importance of revisions to their work include hopnut, knashermac2009, windwhistle, and timethief. To my knowledge there has been no response to these arguments, and the latest post by jeremeyduvall suggests that the subtopic isn’t even among of the major ones being presently considered. Apparently WordPress believes the inclusion of “Numeric-only tags/categories” to be an easy concession, yet does not think that our objections to the elimination of revisions to be even worthy of comment. What, pray tell, are “numeric-only tags”?
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@musicdoc1
Numeric only tags are tags like for example 1999 for all posts published in a year.This is just a brief post to reassure you that I like you and all the other bloggers. In your case, I admire all the work you have done on test blogs to help those with resolve theme related issues. However, I truly believe that battle has been lost, and I am broken-hearted over the way we have been treated for nigh unto 2 years now.
I came from Blogger and I am not happy to be in a position of even considering returning to that platform but I will if it is the only way to get away from being an unwilling guinea pig for software development scenario here at WordPress.COM. I can no longer take the stress and have my health be unaffected by it.
You may want to use Google search to determine how users feel about Drupal while you are considering an alternative.
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Yikes. It was oneworldtree who is considering Drupal and not musicdoc1 – sorry. :(
At the moment, I am considering moving to Drupal where I would integrate all of my separate news sites into a single dynamic website using a platform that caters to serious journalists, not the shallow selfie culture.
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@ timethief,
I fully understand and share your disappointments regarding many of the changes over the past couple of years. That looking for an alternative platform might seem to be the best course to take after what’s been done to WordPress.com, and where they intend to go, is certainly understable.I care about you and the others, and hope each make the decisions which is best for them. My analogy regarding two sides in competition has this fault, at least with respect to team vs. team (debate, sport, etc.): WP is a team, working together constantly, with shared goals (dissent is never heard publicly!). Unfortunately, we are not a team. We are a loosely connected group of individuals each going our separate ways. It is more difficult in our disjointed collectivity to reach points of consensus, set our sights upon shared goals, and to act together to attempt to achieve them.
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@ timethief,
Re: Drupal. No worries.
I’ve got to take a long break now. See you later kiddos.
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