Please Reinstate the Option of Choice to Use the Old Publishing Format
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@musicdoc1 So well said! Of course writers need their revisions! We need to be able to track changes, to revert to something said something better the first time, etc. There’s a reason why word processing programs have extensive features to track all revisions. And we are essentially processing/composing/writing on WP. We need those revisions.
Like hopnut, I’m shocked to see for the first time that there’s an intent to do away with revisions.
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@knashermac2009 Makes you wonder why developers don’t ask us why we do such-and-such before embarking on extensive changes, doesn’t it?
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@windwhistle Nothing about WP surprises me any longer.
I have been a developer for nearly 40 years, and I have never, ever removed a feature once it is being used. Never. I only ever add functionality.
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Revisions will not be included in the New Editor. Could you let us know how often you find yourself using revisions and the circumstance that causes you to revert to a revision? Personally, I rarely find myself using post revisions.
Please feel free to examine my blogs and note how many revisions I create.
I am visually challenged. There’s nothing wrong with my eyes per se but all accessibility apps are useless to me as my vision issues stem from damaged optic nerves due to head injuries.
No post I ever create is created in s single go. I edit every post over and over again until I get it to where I want to publish it.
Removing the post revisions and page revisions features will definitely have a negative impact on my blogging here. I would be reduced to doing all that editing in Microsoft WORD and then copying and pasting into posts and pages, which would be a bitch, as the “post from WORD button” was removed by Staff from the classic editor last March. https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/the-paste-as-word-button-has-been-removed-from-the-visual-editor?replies=5
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oops! My comment here https://en.forums.wordpress.com/topic/please-reinstate-the-option-of-choice-to-use-the-old-publishing-format/page/9?replies=244#post-2316611 was meant to be directed to @jeremeyduvall
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@timethief
For the time being the edit button for a page still directs you to the Classic Editor (dont tell WP). So, you could compose your new post in a scratch page and when finished, cut and paste into your new post. Not great, but better than using WORD. -
I have worked in software delivery for 20+ years, and we have removed redundant functionality from time to time.
Redundant:
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Not or no longer needed or useful; superfluous -
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What surprises me most about WP, is that they had something so damned good in the first place, and seek to improve it so disastrously.
Was just about the best thing I ever found on t’internet.
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@ knashermac2009,
For the time being the edit button for a page still directs you to the Classic Editor…
Thanks. I hadn’t noticed that.
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WP’s description – not mine
Classic:
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Judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind: -
@jeremeylduvall
Happiness Engineer states:The Classic Editor will continue to exist in wp-admin (we have no plans to remove it). However, a link to the Classic Editor will not return to the New Editor.
As long as WordPress believes that what members need in order to work efficiently doesn’t matter, members must use the power we have to protest by refusing to purchase website space or upgrades.
I’ve seen inside these purchased websites and they have the same problems, the same new editor.
If money is all that matters to the Admin and investors deprive them of it!
Enough said.
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@timethief @knashermac2009 Some of us no longer have Word. We haven’t need it for a number of years because the WP Classic Editor did everything we needed.
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I dislike the distraction mode editor in either modes!! I find it to be more distracting when it is on than not on.
Earlier, you were speaking about a full-width edit option. Perhaps I misunderstood. Could you elaborate on where you’re finding the fullscreen option within the Classic Editor?
I also use numeric tags that the “new” editor doesn’t recognize.
This is certainly a bug, and one we’re hoping to fix soon.
Also, no response to my comment about the number of bloggers unaware of the elimination of the link back to the classic editor because they haven’t deleted their cookies yet.
We’ve been tracking the statistic over the full course of the six months since implementation, and it has continued to steadily drop. This wasn’t a judgement based on a handful of weeks of data.
When I am signed in and on my posts page and looking at the ‘edit’ button on the top of a post that I have already published:
Do I only now go to the new editor?
From this page, clicking “Edit” underneath the post should take you to the Classic Editor:
https://libya360.wordpress.com/wp-admin/edit.php
a quick post function (as there is in the classic editor
Any time you see this icon around WordPress.com (either when in wp-admin or elsewhere), you can click it to create a new post within the New Editor:
a list of posts (as there is in the classic editor)
Yep! You can find a list of posts by doing the following:
1. Clicking “My Sites” in the top left-hand corner.
2. Select the appropriate site if necessary
3. Click “Blog Posts”
Those last two steps are shown in the image here:
an opportunity to move the post from, say, a Big Slider to an Editor’s PIck and so on?
I cannot take a blog post out of the Big Slider, for example, because the check-off box for Big Slider, Editor’s Picks, and other functions does not exist in the new dashboard.
As of right now, those theme-based options are still left in wp-admin. We’re looking at the potential of bringing them into the New Editor.
How could http://d.pr/i/9mgR be a replacement for, or considered in any way comparable to http://snag.gy/qJ5Ye.jpg? It’s not apples and oranges, it’s apples and wing nuts.
Those certainly aren’t meant to be equals. When you navigate to My Sites and select the appropriate site, that menu (shown below) is meant to mimic the functions currently present in the sidebar at wp-admin:
The new editor is completely divorced from the rest of the dashboard, so you can’t directly edit any other features while editing a post. Back then a staff member told me I’d made a good point and they’d pass it along to the developers. It doesn’t seem that the developers agreed on it being a good point.
That’s definitely an interesting point. When I click the “Add New Post” function from the New Editor, other than clicking “My Sites” (leading to a page refresh), there isn’t an easy way for me to get back to the menu shown here that would allow me to interact with the rest of my site:
Perhaps we could adjust the navigation a bit so that you could potentially save or publish a post and then get back to that menu without a page refresh being needed. I’ll keep you posted!
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@ jeremeyduvall,
Revisions will not be included in the New Editor. Could you let us know how often you find yourself using revisions and the circumstance that causes you to revert to a revision? Personally, I rarely find myself using post revisions.
I’ve used revisions thousands of times. Some circumstances in which I find it advantageous to the use the post or page revision history:
1. A paragraph, image, video, etc. is mistakenly or regrettably deleted at some point in the revision history. I’ve not infrequently cursed the fact that there are only 25 saved revisions on the classic editor, because the thing I’m missing was inadvertently deleted on the 27th latest revision. Btw, 25 revisions in an hour is not terribly unusual during construction or extensive editing of a post.
2. I often checked the revision history to determine the date and time of my latest edit. This information is not available at All Posts, nor anywhere else that I’m aware of.
3. The entire post content is inadvertently deleted. This hasn’t happened often to me when using the classic editor, but according to hundreds of complaints by members in this forum it is a very common occurrence when publishing with the new editor.
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4. I’ve made extensive revision to a post and updated only to decide later that a previous edit (revision) is preferable because it better expressed the points I’m aiming for, looks better, is more concise, etc.
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First, thank you for the responses you’re providing. You must be having quite the day. But with the greatest respect . . .
I think you are missing a fundamental fact here. I understand – and I can tell that almost everyone on this forum also understands fully – how to get back to My Sites, how to search back through posts to enable some of the functions we’re used to. Just FYI, everyone on this post appears to be an accomplished blogger. I’m a journalist and a web editor, for example, for a Canadian newspaper chain, so yes – we understand all the options for getting around this.
I think the task here is for WP to try to understand what is being expressed.
There are some mega-problems – that even you’ve identified – with the new editor. It really doesn’t do us a lot of good for you to simply repeat instructions on how to use the new editor, or how to use work-arounds which clearly don’t work.
For example, . . . .
What do you suggest I do about the theme based options which are essential to my blogs but are not available in the new editor?
You wrote that: “As of right now, those theme-based options are still left in wp-admin. We’re looking at the potential of bringing them into the New Editor.”
Looking at the potential of bringing them into the new editor doesn’t help me today, tomorrow. If I click on edit, am taken to the new editor and then need to change something. I can’t. Unless I go in through My Sites, find the post and open it there (I’m presuming)
But since there must be a lot of people like me who have paid heavily for premium themes (I have three) and who won’t be getting the functionality of their premium themes in future, it probably behooves WP to solve it now – as I would expect any business to do when I purchase something that no longer works because of a change they’ve made.
The bottom line is WP is going to do what WP is going to do. I’m moving on to trying to understand exactly what we’re getting, not getting and how – if at all – WP is attempting to solve and serve us.
I haven’t heard much about that in the last few hundred posts.
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@jaw501 Excellent point about something I’d not fully understood until just now. I use a premium theme and there’s a least one theme-specific option that I use almost every day. It’s essential to the appearance and functionality of the theme. Thanks for making me aware of yet another reason to keep using the Classic Editor.
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But since there must be a lot of people like me who have paid heavily for premium themes (I have three) and who won’t be getting the functionality of their premium themes in future, it probably behooves WP to solve it now – as I would expect any business to do when I purchase something that no longer works because of a change they’ve made.
Very good point, @jaw501 I use a premium theme too.
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Earlier, you were speaking about a full-width edit option. Perhaps I misunderstood. Could you elaborate on where you’re finding the fullscreen option within the Classic Editor?
I have a HUGE monitor. I get a lot of real estate with the classic editor without going into the distraction-free mode. I do not get that with the new and “improved” editor as everything is so cramped and designed for mobile devices.
Can you not understand that desktop bloggers have lots of real estate to work with and we do not want an editor that is designed solely for mobile devices?
What can I say to make you understand that?
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