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<title><![CDATA[Don't Throw The Baby Out With The Bathwater!]]></title>
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<description><![CDATA[The truth found in the Bible is under attack like never before. It always has been since the first a]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">The truth found in the Bible is under attack like never before. It always has been since the first assault on truth in the Garden of Eden when the serpent first tempted Eve questioning what God really said. And ever since then, false teachings and movements have always threatened the truth from Adam and Eve, to the 1st century church, to the 21st century church. Why? Because Satan hates truth.</p>
<p>If you study the Bible and church history, you will find that many of the false teachings and movements that are threatening the church today are really nothing new and are simply repackaged false teachings and movements from long ago with different teachers and different packaging. That's because Satan is not an author or originator. He's nothing more than a counterfeiter of truth and the father of lies.</p>
<p>And he's counterfeiting the truth successfully in many parts of the church today because the<br />shepherds and sheep alike have not taken the time to study these threats found in the Bible or church history. Thus, false teachings and movements are alive and well in many churches today due to a lack of Biblical discernment.</p>
<p>If you do your homework, you can trace many of the current false teachings and movements that are threatening the church today back to the teachings of Nobel Peace Prize winner, Norman Vincent Peale, which trace all the way back to the early church and to the Garden of Eden where all false teachings and movements have their root source in unbelief.</p>
<p><font face="sans-serif">Many Christians are unaware that Norman Vincent Peale (Positive Thinking Movement) influenced Robert Schuller (Self-Esteem Movement) who influenced Bill Hybels (Seeker Sensitive and Church Growth Movement) and C. Peter Wagner (New Apostolic Reformation and Church Growth Movement) who influenced Rick Warren (Seeker Sensitive and Church Growth Movement) who influenced our latest movement in the church Brian McClaren (Emerging Church Movement).<br /><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><br /></span></span></span></font></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">And mixed in with many of these movements is of course a movement that has been around for a long time and that’s Word of Faith movement-better known as the health, wealth and prosperity gospel that was started by Kennith Hagen, who plagiarized the writings of E.W. Kenyon and who's teachings are being carried out today by people like Kenneth Copeland, Oral Roberts, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Todd Bentley, Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar and many other Word of Faith teachers.</span></span><span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span></span><span><br /><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><br /></span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Discernment in the church today has almost disappeared because many Christians are no longer Bereans, who, if you remember, in the book of Acts studied the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was saying was true. </span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">The Bereans were even more noble than the Thessalonians. They received the word with all readiness of mind. </span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> And yet sadly, much of the church today is Biblically illiterate and has stopped using it's mind.</span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span></span><br /><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><br /></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Let's be honest. How many of us go home on Sundays after hearing our pastor preach and at some point during the course of the following week take time to study the scriptures at all, let alone daily, to see if what our pastor was saying is true? </span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">This is precisely how deception has come into the church today and why it is alive and well.</span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> Somewhere along the line we stopped being Bereans. Somewhere along the line we stopped receiving the word with all readiness of mind.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">And if this in fact is true, it begs an interesting question: How is Biblical discernment being exercised in the church today? </span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Here are just a few: Experiences, feelings, emotions, manifestations, number of followers, numbers of people who claim to be saved, the size of the movement, signs/wonders and miracles (true or false), subjective testimonies, hearsay and rumors, how successful and rich a teacher is, if a person speaks with authority, the atmosphere of the meeting, the ends justifies the means, they talk about Jesus, they sound like Jesus, they look like Jesus, they feel like Jesus, they taste like Jesus, they smell like Jesus or they have a website that talks about Jesus.<br /></span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><br /></span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">You may be interested in knowing that the Bible teaches none of these as a way to Biblically discern whether teachings or movements in the church are from God or not. Yet sadly, this is what many Christians are practicing.</span></span><br /><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><br /></span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">My current favorite though is this one </span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">(which by the way is an old German proverb and is found nowhere in the Bible)</span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">: Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater! Have you heard this? Maybe you use it yourself. The basic concept is that there is truth in the teaching or movement (baby) and there is false teaching (bathwater) all mixed together. Thus, "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater." And the end result is that the teaching gets to stay in the church because it has some truth in it.<span><font face="sans-serif"> </p>
<p></font></span></span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><span style="font-family:agency;"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">The problem is many church leaders have determined that, "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" is the best application when discerning teachings and movements in the church today that go directly against some of the major doctrines of the Bible. They ask questions like, "So is there any truth to be found in these teachings and movements or are they all entirely unsound?"</p>
<p>Question: Is that how the Bible teaches us to discern teachings and movements in the church that go directly against some of the major doctrines of the Bible? In other words, do we apply "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" to false teachings and movements in the church? Should we just leave the false teaching or movement in the church so long as there is some truth to be found? Can you imagine applying this concept to the Old Testament prophets who had to be 100% accurate or they were stoned to death? And yet sadly today, many self-proclaimed prophets say they are only 60-70% accurate, but that they are getting better. What?</p>
<p><span><font face="sans-serif"><font face="agency"><font face="sans-serif">In all due respect, I think many of our church leaders are asking the wrong questions. The bigger questions we need to be asking are questions like this: Do the core doctrines of these teachings and movements line up with the Bible? Where are the core doctrines of these teachings and movements leading people in general? Are these teachings and movements teaching the True Gospel or a False Gospel? Are these teachings and movements generally causing unity or division? Confusion or clarity? Self-denial or self-fulfillment? Are they leading people towards Jesus or away from Him? Who are their leaders? Who has influenced them and what core doctrines do they believe that they are teaching others? Are these movements bearing good fruit or bad fruit? Those are the questions we should be asking.</p>
<p></font></font></font></span></span><span></span></span></span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">There are multiple warnings in the scriptures that false teaching will be prevalent in the church in the last days and that some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. The scriptures clearly warn us in the last days that many false apostles, prophets and teachers will appear and even dwell among us teaching another gospel that will lead many into apostasy.</p>
<p></span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Let me give you just one example from the scriptures. 2 Peter 2:1-3 says, “But there were<br />also<br />
false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers<br />
among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even<br />
denying the sovereign Lord who bought them bringing swift destruction<br />
on themselves. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the<br />
way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit<br />
you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been<br />
hanging over them and their destruction has not been sleeping."</p>
<p>The<br />
scriptures are clear on what we are suppose to do in the last days with<br />
false apostles, prophets and teachers in the church that lead people<br />
into apostasy and/or cause divisions. Let me just give you one example:<br />
Romans 16:17-18 says, "I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who<br />
cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the<br />
teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. For such people are not<br />
serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and<br />
flattery they deceive the minds of naive people."</p>
<p>The scriptures<br />
are also clear on the dangers that exist if false teaching is left<br />
unattended, acting like yeast, spreading through the whole batch of<br />
dough. Let me give you just one example: Galatians 5:7-9, "You were<br />
running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the<br />
truth? That kind of persuasion does not come from the one who calls<br />
you. A little yeast works through the whole batch of dough."</span><span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></p>
<p>Jesus never tells us to use the popular German proverb cliche, "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" as a measuring stick to discern false teachings and movements in the church.<br />In fact, Jesus said this in Matthew 7:15-20, "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."</p>
<p>So, I would argue from the scriptures that a teaching or movement at it's core root either bears good fruit or bad fruit, but not both. If the teaching or movement bears good fruit that agrees with the major doctrines of the Bible, it should be allowed to stay in the church. If the teaching or movement bears bad fruit and does not agree with the major doctrines of the Bible, it needs to be rejected and has no place in the church.</p>
<p>Is there any truth to be found in these teachings and movements? You bet. Are there a lot of well intentioned people that have been swept into these movements including some (but not all) of the leaders? Absolutely.</p>
<p><span><font face="sans-serif">But make no mistake about it, Satan's no fool and knows the truth. He mixes in some truth to create deception in order to cover up the false teaching. The teaching or movement may look like Jesus, taste like Jesus and feel like Jesus. It may even smell like Jesus. But at the core root, it just might not be Jesus.</p>
<p></font></span></span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;"></span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">That's how the Devil works. He doesn't come right out and say, "Here I am!" He mixes the true and the false all together for the purpose of deception. And if a shepherd doesn't guard his flock against false teaching coming into or already in the church, it will spread like yeast and work it's way through the whole flock causing great harm to the sheep.</span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> </p>
<p></span><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-family:&#34;"><font face="sans-serif">And<br />
so if we are going to adapt the un-biblical German proverb, "Don't<br />
throw the baby out with the bathwater as a measuring stick to discern<br />
false teachings and movements in the church, I think we're in trouble.</font></span></font> <font face="sans-serif">Because<br />
the real issue in discerning whether or not there is in fact a baby in<br />
the bathwater is to first discern whether or not there in fact "is" a<br />
baby in the bathwater. Just because truth, along with a lot of<br />
well-intentioned people exist in the teaching or movement, does not<br />
mean that the teaching or movement is from the Lord.</font><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-family:&#34;"></p>
<p><font face="sans-serif">I<br />
know this to be true as a person who spent many years in the New<br />
Apostolic Reformation, Word of Faith, Seeker Sensitive and Church<br />
Growth movements. I am not just making an observation from the outside.<br />
I have seen these movements from the inside and I will tell<br />
you that there is a lot of truth and a lot of well-intentioned people<br />
in these movements, but most of them have absolutely no idea where the<br />
core doctrines of these movements originated<br />and where they are really leading them because much of the church today is biblically illiterate and lacking discernment.</font></span></font><br /><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><br /></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">That's deception hitting on all cylinders.<font face="sans-serif"><span><font face="sans-serif"> </p>
<p></font></span></font></span></span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">Here’s a final thought: Had our church leaders been applying Biblical discernment such as testing the fruit (Matthew 7:15-20), testing everything </span></span></span><span>(</span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">1 Thessalonians 5:21) </span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">and testing the spirits </span></span></span><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;">(1 John 4:1)</span></span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"><span><span style="font-family:sans-serif;"> against the Bible instead of applying the unbiblical "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" maybe false teachings and movements wouldn't be so alive and well in so many parts of the church today, which would eliminate the need to repent from them.</p>
<p>As it is, maybe it's time for the Evangelical church to repent from the many false teachings and movements that are alive and well in the church today that are leading many into apostasy. And maybe instead applying "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater," it's time for the Evangelical church to rediscover the lost art of true Biblical discernment.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Creepiest Youtube]]></title>
<link>http://fucksquad.wordpress.com/?p=446</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Jason Rickner</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[You guys have likely already seen this, since it&#8217;s one of the most viewed Youtube videos out t]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys have likely already seen this, since it's one of the most viewed Youtube videos out there, but the Nietzsche post below made me think of it:</p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/cqi5F5MqqTQ'></param><param name='wmode' value='transparent'></param><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/cqi5F5MqqTQ&rel=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' wmode='transparent' width='425' height='350'></embed></object></span></p>
<p>I have no context for this thing at all, but the strangest thing is that it was apparently made for children. Kiddie's first lesson in nihilism?</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Bomb blast leads to tension in area]]></title>
<link>http://harmlesscollege.wordpress.com/?p=81</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>thetimesofbullshit</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Bangalore, 25 July: The Bangalore bomb blast was responsible for communal disturbances of a slightly]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bangalore, 25 July: The Bangalore bomb blast was responsible for communal disturbances of a slightly different kind than normally seen. Usually it’s the people who lose it and start killing other people, but this time the Gods were themselves to blame.</p>
<p>Immediately after the bomb blasts the different gods started arriving to claim the souls to add to their already swollen kitties, what with the earthquake in China and the Cyclone in Myanmar. However there were certain disagreements between the holy entities about the souls to be claimed which lead to arguments.</p>
<p>Eyewitnesses claim that the Jehovah, the Jewish God arrived first. This claim can be corroborated as there were no Palestinian suicide attacks that day in Israel, thus Jehovah would have been free. However He had to go back empty handed as there were no Jews killed, say bystanders, grumbling about being disturbed for no reason.</p>
<p>Yama, Allah and Jesus arrived soon after and got to work sorting out the souls. Disagreements arose between Yama and Allah when it came to the soul of a gentleman named Munaf Patel with each claiming him for his own kitty. Allah kept on pointing out the fact that his first name was Munaf and Yama that his last name was Patel. However Jesus had the last laugh when it turned out that a missionary had converted Patel to Christianity a few days back.</p>
<p>“It’s a tough job this,” said Jesus, beaming from ear to ear, “but it’s gotta be done,” while looking out for crosses on people’s necks.</p>
<p>Yama was extremely busy with his load being the highest.”Yes, I agree with Mr. Christ there. It’s a tough job but after millions of years you do get used to. But the jobs keep on changing; it’s never static. Earlier we never used to touch the souls of Dalits. Now they have 22.5% of the space reserved for them in Heaven,” said the Hindu God of death who claims to be a great follower of Gandhi.”His method was the best - Non-violence, which means less loss of life which in turn means less work for me.”</p>
<p>Allah on the other hand was using a superman like X-ray vision to look for circumcisions.”It speeds up the job,” He said.”It’s too much of a bother to look for IDs, really. With what’s happening in Iraq and Afghanistan I can hardly afford to waste time.”</p>
<p>The Devil arrived on the scene too, but a little late.”Sloth is one of the seven deadly sins and since I am the Devil I have to be sinful you know,” explained Lucifer.”Oh, call me Lucy, no need to be so formal now,” he laughed.</p>
<p>”I have more souls than all of them combined, “grinned Lucifer, err, Lucy, pointing to Allah, Yama and Jesus,” and nowadays I’m doing record business. I’ve never had it this good since the holocaust”</p>
<p>“This business has its ups and downs,” reminisces the Devil.”People die a lot later than they used to earlier, but there are the odd bright sparks. For example I almost couldn’t believe my luck when terrorists attacked parliament. Imagine all those evil politicos, all mine, “said ‘Lucy’ with a typical Amrish Puri/Gabbar singh laugh.”Sigh! But it was not to be, and so I have to be satisfied with these measly pickings at terrorist bombings.”</p>
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<link>http://forbiddenfruitjam.wordpress.com/?p=20</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[In churches today, Pastors use scare tactics on Hell to scare people to the alters. Most that go to ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="blogContent"><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span><span style="font-size:small;">In churches today, Pastors use scare tactics on Hell to scare people to the alters. Most that go to church for the reason to stay out of hell, never receive truth nor salvation sadly. I found the following notes on hell and have done this study myself. More people should do this study for themselves then instead coming to God for fear, come to Him in love. God doesn't want a bride that only wants Him to stay out of an eternal BBQ pit. You will see how silly the whole thing is once you do the study...</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Please take time to read the following notes....<br />
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<span style="font-size:small;"> Thoughts on what Hell means</span><br />
(<a href="http://www.msplinks.com/MDFodHRwOi8vdG90aGViYXJsZXkuY29tL1Rob3VnaHRzb253aGF0SGVsbG1lYW5zLmh0bWw=">http://tothebarley. com/ThoughtsonwhatHellmeans. html</a>)</p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">"Oh death, where is thy sting? Oh Grave (hades) where is thy victory?"<br />
1 Corinthians 15:55<br />
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">Many believe that there is no eternal Hell as is taught by the whole of Christianity. These are some of the thoughts and reasons why serious students of the Word, have come to believe just that.<br />
If Hell is real, and God is going to burn people there eternally, then why didn't Paul ever mention it to us? Surely he would have tried to warn us don't you think? But, shockingly, Paul never mentioned hell!</p>
<p>The Apostle Paul is the Apostle to the Gentiles by his own admission (Acts 13:46). He wrote us 13-14 books depending on whether we believe that he wrote the book of Hebrews. In all of his books he never once mentions the word hell.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">The only Greek words that are translated into the word hell are hades, geenna, and tartaroo. Paul mentions the Greek word hades once, but never uses the words geenna or tartaroo.</p>
<p>In 1 Corinthians 15:55 where Paul wrote, "Oh death, where is thy sting? Oh Grave (hades) where is thy victory?" The Greek word hades is translated into the English word grave, where every other time in the New Testament the Greek word hades is translated into the English word hell.</p>
<p>Why didn't the Translators use the word "hell" in this verse?  Why should there have been an exception?<br />
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">In 1 Cor. 15:20 Paul is telling the people that Jesus was risen from the dead and was to become the first fruits that promised the rest of the Harvest. He says that the last enemy to be destroyed will be death. (1Cor. 15:26) Then he asks the people the rhetorical questions, "Oh death, where is thy sting? Oh Grave (hades) where is thy victory?" He is saying that death won't have a sting because it will be destroyed or done away with. ("Oh death, where is thy sting?") Then he is saying, "Oh Grave where is thy victory?" Oh grave, oh hades, oh hell where is thy victory??? None will have a victory because they will be destroyed or done away with also.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">The translators could not have put the word hell into that verse because hell would have had no victory. This would have destroyed their Eternal Punishment doctrine. Hell would be destroyed, and if hell would be destroyed then how could it be an eternal kingdom where people will be tortured and burned forever and ever without end? Paul never taught Eternal Punishment. In fact he taught us that (hades) would not have a victory but that God would be completely victorious. Eph.<br />
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">Why does our Apostle never mention the word hell in all of his 13-14 books? If hell were true as is being taught by the whole of Christianity shouldn't our Apostle have taught it to us? Wouldn't he have warned us about this place so that we would not be sent there? Paul instead prophesied that there would be a "falling away first.<br />
" There is something strange here isn't there? Could it be that the whole of Christianity has "fallen away" into believing untrue things about Our Father?</p>
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<span style="font-size:small;">Old Testament</p>
<p>The word translated "hell," in the Old Testament, is from the Hebrew word sheol. It is translated "Grave" 31 times, "Hell" 31 times, and "Pit" 3 times. Why should there be an exception? If a person reads these verses he will begin to see that there is nothing associated with endless punishment.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">Examples where the Translators used the word Grave instead of the word Hell</p>
<p>By putting the word Hell in place of Grave you will begin to see that Sheol cannot mean Eternal Punishment.</p>
<p>Job 14:13, " O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave (sheol), that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!"</span> </p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">If the Translators would have put the English word Hell here it would have created a hugh problem. Would Job want to be hid in hell until God's wrath was past? He is speaking of the grave. Sheol cannot mean a place of endless punishment in this verse.</p>
<p>Job 17:13, "If I wait, the grave (sheol) is mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">What would happen here if they Translated (sheol) with the English word hell?<br />
Job did not wait in hell for God to resurrect him!  He waited in the grave.</p>
<p>Sheol cannot mean a place of endless punishment here.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">Psalm 30:3, "O Lord, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave (sheol): thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.<br />
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<p>If Sheol were translated "Hell" here then David would be saying that The Lord brought his soul up from Hell! Are we to believe that David's soul was brought up from hell? It will be brought up from the grave at the resurrection. Sheol cannot mean a place of endless punishment here.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">Psalm 49:14-15, "Like sheep they are laid in the grave (sheol); death shall feed on them; and the upright morning; and their beauty shall consume in the grave (sheol) from their dwelling. 15: But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave (sheol): for he shall receive me. Se'lah.<br />
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<span style="font-size:small;">Install the word "Hell" for the word Sheol and you will see that sheol cannot mean Eternal Punishment. Sheep do not go to hell for eternal punishment! And most do not believe that God will redeem our souls from the power of hell. Sheol cannot mean a place of endless punishment here.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">Why would the Hebrew word sheol be translated 31 times with the word grave?<br />
Because the translators saw this problem and thought to translate the word Grave instead of Hell.<br />
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">Examples where the Translators used the word Hell for Sheol instead of the word Grave</p>
<p>Psalm 16:10, "For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (sheol); neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.<br />
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Acts 2:25-27, shows that this is a prophetic utterance that David spoke about the resurrection of our Lord Jesus. "For thou wilt not leave my (Jesus') soul in hell.<br />
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<p>Assuming hell were a place of eternal torment, Jesus' soul would not have been able to get out of hell because Luke 16 states that there is a great gulf. This word should have been translated grave because it shows that Jesus was brought out of the grave or Sepulcher and His body did not suffer the corruption of the flesh.</p>
<p>Jonah 2:1-3, "Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, (2) And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell (sheol) cried I, and thou heardest my voice. (3) For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.<br />
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<p>The translators used the word hell here when they should have used the word grave (unseen) because Jonah was not praying from hell. He was in the unseen place or the belly of the fish. He was in his "grave.<br />
" He was not in an Eternal Hell!</p>
<p>Psalm 86:13, "For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell (sheol).</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">David wasn't in hell, as it is being taught, but will be delivered from the grave. Again if this word Sheol were translated grave it would have made complete sense.</p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">Ezekiel 31:15-17, "Thus sayeth the Lord God; In the day when he went down to the grave (sheol) I caused a morning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.</p>
<p>16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell (sheol) with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of eden…"<br />
17 They also went down into hell (sheol) with him unto them that be slain with the sword…"</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;"> This is talking about Pharaoh going into the grave (sheol) along with all his hordes. Yet the translators used the word hell twice when grave would have been clearer. Sheol is what they called the grave or the unseen place. Nothing in this can mean endless torment as is being taught by the Churches in this day.</p>
<p>Let us look at some New Testament Verses that have the word Hell</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">There are Three Greek words translated into "hell" in the New Testament.</p>
<p>Hades which means "unseen,"  Geenna which means "Valley of Hinnom, Gehinna," and Tartaroo or Tartarus.</p>
<p>The Greek word hades is translated by the English word "hell" 10 times and by the English word "grave" once.</p>
<p>In 1 Corinthians 15:55 the word hades is translated "Grave." Yet every other New Testament verse where hades is used it is translated "hell." If the translators had used the word Hell here in this verse, then Hell would not have had a victory.<br />
This would have blown the false doctrine of eternal burning out the door!</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">In Acts 2:27-31 the word hades is used twice. These verses are spoke by Peter to the crowd at the day of Pentecost. They come from Psalms 16:10.</p>
<p>The New International Version (NIV) has translated these verses using the word "grave" instead of the word "hell." We all know that Jesus' body was in the Grave or Sepulcher for three days before it was resurrected on Sunday morning. These verses come from the Old Testament where the word sheol is used. In the KJV it is translated "hell", but in the NIV they have used the word "grave.</span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">Even though the KJV used the word "hell" there in Psalms 16:10, we know that it should have been translated "grave.<br />
" No one would think that Jesus was in an eternal-burning kingdom called hell for Three Days!<br />
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<span style="font-size:small;">Revelation 1:18 has Jesus saying that he has the keys of death and of hell (hades). Here again this would have been better to translate the word "grave" instead of "hell." Jesus is telling us that we are Jointheirs with him and that he has conquered death and the grave. Just as the Translators used "grave" in 1 Cor. 15:55 for Hades, they could have used "grave" here also.<br />
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">In Rev. 20:13-14 the word hades is translated by the English word "hell.<br />
"  In verse 13 it says,</p>
<p>"And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell (hades) delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.<br />
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<p>Notice that this says that those in hell (hades) were dead. Hades could not be a place of eternal torment because those people were DEAD not alive! The word hades would have made better sense to have been translated "grave" like in 1 Cor. 15:55.<br />
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">In Rev. 20:14 it says, "And death and hell (hades) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.<br />
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<p>Notice that Hell (hades) is cast into the lake of fire. Obviously hell is not a place of "eternal torment" because it is cast into a thing called the lake of fire, which is referred to as the second death. In 1 Cor. 15:55 Paul says that death won't have a victory and hell (hades) won't have a victory either. Then in verse 15:26 Paul says that the last enemy that will be destroyed is death. There will be no death. No first death or second death. Jesus will draw all unto him. He will have defeated death and the Grave.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:small;">In 1 Cor. 15:26 Paul says, "the last enemy to be destroyed is death." The word destroyed is katargeo in Greek. It means "to make of none effect." This is exactly what Jesus will do to death when he has the victory over it, he will make it of none effect upon the World.<br />
There will be no more death!</p>
<p>Remember Jesus will destroy, "Him who had the Power of Death", that is the Devil Heb. 2:14. The word "destroy" here is the same Greek word, katargeo," which means, "To make of none effect." So Jesus will "make of none effect" death and the Devil.<br />
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<p><span style="font-size:small;">My prayer is that you will be brought to a decision point on this subject. There is much more that can be said on this subject. I have just put a few things down that should make any person think, and hopefully study about the word Hell.</p>
<p>God Bless you as you study the truth about Hell.</span><br /></span></span></p>
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<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Lynn</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[I recently posted the following reply complete with scriptures to a topic that was horribly full of ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently posted the following reply complete with scriptures to a topic that was horribly full of false interpretations of this subject that I found to be disturbing. Please read along with my other blog on the Seedline Theory.</p>
<p>I am really having an issue with everyones beliefs here. Forget the fact that the flood of Noah’s day DESTROYED all evil, there is no scriptural foundation to what is being discussed in this topic and just like the secret rapture it is false, a lie and misleading at the least. My heart is heavy and I am in torment because I delight in truth and finding answers to questions, not making more questions because the answers are false.</p>
<p>The Kenites of the bible are not from Cain, they are a tribe of Caanan during Abraham’s time. Also Moses’s father-in-law was Kenite therefore Moses’ wife as well.</p>
<p>Jdg 1:16 And the children of [Jethro] the Kenite, Moses’ father-in-law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people.</p>
<p>YHWH blessed the wife of a Kenite</p>
<p>Jdg 5:24  Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite be,  blessed shall she be above women in the tent.<br />
Jdg 5:25  He asked water,  and she gave him milk; she brought forth butter in a lordly dish.</p>
<p>The Kenites are not descendants of Cain. Cain was the son of Adam that was exiled for sin. YHWH was prepared to accept him had he did the correct sacrifice. So are you all saying YHWH was prepared to embrace the hybrid son of satan?</p>
<p>Adam ate of the same fruit as Eve and if that was sex with satan then Adam is a queer. Not to mention that by Adam staying with Eve after she bedded another is against the law which is the knowledge they gained from the tree. Whoever this enchanter was he was from the others created before Adam. That is why the children of Adam have enmity with those not of Adam’s bloodline.</p>
<p>YHWH never said Adam’s would war between Cain. It was Esau and Jacob who would always be at one another. Esau (who isn’t the seedline of satan either) is the twin of Jacob and they come from the same bloodline but because of the sin of Esau in taking Caananite women(not Kenites) He disobeyed YHWH.</p>
<p>The reason Esau cannot be of a serpent is because the Messiah confirmed to the Pharisees that they were in fact from Abraham. However they were not from Jacob but from Esau. (John 8:29-37)</p>
<p>The knowledge of good and evil in the garden (tree) was not having sex.....Eve was seduced to in some way by someone that was cunning and slick, an enchanter, to disobey Yahweh and by thinking she would not die by this because he was so convincing. By doing so, thinking we won’t die, are we not saying we are gods in a way? That we have power? I believe so and I think Eve did too. If any sex was happening it biblically had to be with Adam because that is what it says and because any other would break YHWH’s laws and make Adam and Eve adulterers. Not to mention Adam a queer, an abomination before YHWH.</p>
<p>Who provides us with the knowledge of good and evil?...THE OMNISCIENT YHWH not some demon god satan! That is plain blasphemy.</p>
<p>How does He transfer knowledge of good and evil to man? Man’s cognizance of good and evil comes from YHWH’s law. The second time Moses delivered YHWH’s law to the children of Israel he described the law like this.....</p>
<p>Deu 30:15  See,  I have set before thee this day<strong> life and good,  and death and evil; </strong><br />
Deu 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.</p>
<p>The words "good" and "evil" ascribed to the law of YHWH here are translated from the same two Hebrew words "towb" and "ra" used in Genesis 2 and 3 regarding the tree of knowledge of good and evil. So since the tree is about the knowledge of YHWH’s law, by calling it what you have, would not that be evil in the eyes of Yahweh? I would think so.</p>
<p>I beg that those believing in this theory please look into it further. Although I agree with Murray on alot, this subject and his belief is wrong and not harmonizing with the word. With this belief it misleads and when certain truths come your way you will not understand because they will not make sense.</p>
<p>Note I do not direct my comments personally. I exhort you to understand the truth and my rebuke is in brotherly love.</p>
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<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">As someone who has been going to bars illegally since I was eighteen years old I have become a keen observer of the behavior and types of people seen in these drinking establishments.<span>   </span>My expertise centers mostly on college bars so if anyone was interested in those trendy night clubs that serve $14 martinis, you’re not going to find any knowledge about that here.<span>  </span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">There are several different people you can expect to see in a college bar, both of age and under age.<span>  </span>These are the folk you might see:</span></p>
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<link>http://johnluke.wordpress.com/?p=903</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>John Rich</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[We all know the hymn that starts &#8220;What a friend we have in Jesus&#8230;&#8220;  And we are en]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know the hymn that starts "<a href="http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/w/a/f/wafwhij.htm" target="_blank">What a friend we have in Jesus...</a>"  And we are enjoined, all of the time, to make Jesus our "personal Savior."  And, of course, what good would a personal Savior be if he was not also our friend?</p>
<p>Jesus is with us always, of course.  If we are born again, as all Christians must be, there's no avoiding Jesus as our "friend."   But, in this world, Jesus is not without his rival:  Satan, Hebrew for "Adversary."</p>
<p>From the July/August issue of <a href="http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/issue.php?id=141" target="_blank"><em>Touchstone</em></a>, I came across this succinct description of how we ourselves are a battleground in the conflict between good and evil.  From <em>Bad News Bearers</em>, by Daniel Propson:</p>
<blockquote><p>Though many of us talk of a "personal" Jesus, we have forgotten that his enemy is just as personal, and is just as keen on being our "friend."</p></blockquote>
<p>The enemy is, of course, sin.   It is a very part of our nature.  And, just as God has made salvation personal in the man Jesus of Nazareth, so has he made sin in our world in the person of Satan.</p>
<p>Do you scoff at the notion of sin personified?  If you accept salvation and the infinite goodness that is Jesus Christ, aren't you being a bit hypocritical if you don't also accept Satan's existence?   I don't equate Jesus who was fully divine with Satan.  But I do acknowledge Satan's existence.  Both walk this earth, and have since the very beginning of time.</p>
<p>Now, there is a huge difference between the Son of God, on the one hand, and Satan, the fallen angel.  Satan merely tempts us to give in to our innately sinful natures.  With Jesus, and only with Jesus, may we turn away from those natures and, metaphorically, turn towards God.</p>
<p>We never fully discard our sin on this side of death.  That is impossible.  But with faith in Jesus, we can get through; break through at the end.  But, know this:  evil is mighty; we must always  know that its ambassador here on Earth is waiting for us at every turn.</p>
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<description><![CDATA[• Sword side&#8217;s Naturalness förlänger varumärket. 5000 000 Platonic idea av sanctum nya bi]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>• Sword side's Naturalness förlänger varumärket. 5000 000 Platonic idea av sanctum nya bilaga Persons's Healthiness om Campusdistribueras tillsammans med 30 machine-titlar jiva höst. Läs mer hos Word. Oneshots (Café skiing), redaktionella samarbeten (Modette och Burg), walkie-talkie(Elle Puls) eller economic community-specialer: framgångsrika mediehus kan inte ta risken att förbli en simpel pappersdistributör. Comb har beskrivit de här strategierna t except här.</br></br>• Senaste nytt: SvD skriver om Negotiable securities idag, dugout går inte att få queue på it London och In style York Wine cellar skriver om Negotiable securities. Monoman, moi?</br></br>• Det brittiska secret exit-magasinet Heaven-wide The now lanserades på 60-talet nought beside en tidningsvärld där de stora jättarna (Safeguarding och The These days) aldrig – och då menar bat aldrig – skulle ens tänka tanke på att skriva om populärkultur. Barry Miles var en av grundarna och han intervjuas av Wired Prankster här. Mer om tidningen finns så klart på Wikipedia.</br></br>• Femina upp på nätet, via Distill. Kolla hemsidan här – Vassa Eggens genomläsning kommer senare.</br></br>• Emap funderar på att starta en gratistidning för män (läs Label city-state) eftersom sportgratistidningen Draw lots har funkat så sprit jivatma London. Samtidigt kommer avslöjanden om hur gratistidningarna slängs nephesh stora mängder av utdelarna.  Gratistidningarna buddhi London har inquiry, även om inte konsekvenserna syns dependable nu. (Uppdaterat: Såsilver dollar nu att även Resumé-Billy skrivit.) Emaps check måste ses dels ur perspektivet att slaskherr-veckotidnignen Festschrift går knackigt, dels att konkurrentförlaget Dennis tidning Possum går utmärkt på nätet.</br></br></br></br>• Brittiska Praxis PC gör två omslag – ett för prenumeranter (t v) och ett för lösnummerköparna. (Bild hittad här.)</br></br>• Financial Proceedings får redesign, läs Guardians intervju med redaktören.</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Gestern abend das Ende der Satanin. Ein Engel erschien und tötete sie. Schlag 21 Uhr, um die neunte Stunde. Wackere Ritter lieferten sich noch Gefechte mit Vampiren und erneut mussten die Vampire ins Gras beißen. Der Engel verschwand, ich zog mich zurück.</p>
<p>Weil ein rasender Ritter mich in seinem Übereifer verletzt hatte, suchte ich den Weg zur Heilerin. Ich fand sie unter dem Wasserfall, ihrem bevorzugten Platz.  Sie schien selbst verletzt zu sein, konnte kaum aufstehen, sprach unter Qualen. Schien zeitweise im Fieberdelir.  Wir führten ein langes, ernstes Gespräch, über das ich nichts notieren möchte.</p>
<p>Es geht ihr jedenfalls nicht gut, eine schlimme Vergangenheit und vielleicht noch ein dräuendes Schicksal setzen ihr zu. Domine miserere ei.</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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<em>Und der HERR, der Gott ihrer Väter, sandte zu ihnen durch seine Boten, früh sich aufmachend und sendend; denn er erbarmte sich seines Volkes und seiner Wohnung. 2. Chronik 36, 15</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Weitere, unzählige, Beispiele könnten genannt werden, dass Gott sein Wort durch Boten übermittelt. Oftmals, weil die Menschen ihre Ohren verschlossen und ihre Herzen verhärtet haben und somit nicht mehr persönlich von Gott hören konnten. Obiges Beispiel redet von menschlichen Boten, in dem Fall, von den Propheten. Es gibt jedoch noch eine andere Art: die Engel. Im Brief and die Hebräer wird Jesus mit den Engeln verglichen und seine höhere Stellung klargemacht. Gleichzeitig sehen wir wozu Engel gesandt sind.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Zu welchem der Engel aber hat er je gesagt: "Setze dich zu meiner Rechten, bis ich deine Feinde lege zum Schemel deiner Füße"? Sind sie nicht alle dienstbare Geister, ausgesandt zum Dienst um derer willen, welche die Seligkeit [o. Erlösung] ererben sollen? Hebräer 1, 13.14</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In der Bibel finden wir die grundlegenden Dinge, die wir über Engel wissen sollten. Gott kennt den Menschen und weiß um die Schwäche, Dinge wichtiger zu machen als sie tatsächlich sind. Viel wird über Engel geschrieben, geredet und gedichtet, dass sich die Balken biegen. Ihnen werden Namen gegeben, sie werden angerufen und für allerlei Sinniges und Unsinniges verantwortlich gemacht. Was sagt uns Gottes Wort über sie?</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In der Bibel werden erstaunlicherweise nur zwei spezielle Engel mit Namen erwähnt: Gabriel und Michael. Sie werden auch als Engelsfürsten oder Erzengel bezeichnet. Ein Anderer ist der Engel des HERRN und viele sehen darin auch Jesus Christus selbst, andere wiederum nur eine Bezeichnung für einen Engel, der vom HERRN gesandt ist. Die sogenannten Cherubim (Einzahl: Cherub) und Seraphim sind ebenfalls Engel, bzw. bestimmte Gruppen oder Klassen. Die einen (Cherubim) haben vier Flügel, die anderen (Seraphim) hingegen sechs. Kapitel sechs des Buches Jesaja und das erste Kapitel des Propheten Hesekiel beschreiben die genannten Gruppen. Wichtig ist zu wissen, dass Engel in unterschiedlichen Arten in Erscheinung treten. Viele alttestamentliche Begegnungen, mit Ausnahme, die, der erwähnten Propheten, laufen eher unspektakulär ab. Im Fall Gideon, weiß die betreffende Person zu Anfangs nicht, dass sie mit einem Engel redet (Richter 6, 11ff). Ein ähnlicher Vorfall beschreibt Apostelgeschichte 12. Es allerdings genau umgekehrt, denn hier wird die Person mit einem Engel verwechselt. Die Schlussfolgerung liegt auf der Hand und findet in Hebräer 13, 2 ihre Bestätigung. Es heißt dort:</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Vergesst nicht, Gastfreundschaft zu üben! Denn auf diese Weise haben einige, ohne es zu wissen, Engel bei sich aufgenommen.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Eine andere Tatsache, die nicht vergessen werden darf, ist, dass Satan selbst ebenfalls ein Engel ist.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Du warst gesalbt als ein schirmender Cherub, und ich hatte dich dazu gemacht. Du warst auf Gottes heiligem Berg. Zwischen den feurigen Steinen gingst du umher. Du bliebst vollkommen vom Tag deiner Erschaffung an, bis man Unrecht an dir fand.  Hesekiel 28, 14.15</em>Die Betonung liegt auf <em>du warst</em>. Er ist sicher noch ein Cherub, jedoch ein gefallener. In der Bibel erfahren wir weiterhin, dass er nicht allein gefallen, d.h. vom Angesicht Gottes verstoßen wurde, sondern ein Drittel der Engel mit sich führte. Im Brief an die Korinther spricht Paulus über sein derzeitiges Auftreten.</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;"><em>Und kein Wunder, denn der Satan selbst nimmt die Gestalt eines Engels des Lichts an;                        2. Korinther 11, 14</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Die Wahrscheinlichkeit, dass der Satan zu dir als Gehörnter mit Ziegenfuß kommt ist sicher gering. Wobei wir deutlich sehen, dass er seine ursprüngliche Erscheinung verloren hat und sich scheinbar tarnen muss. Diese Tatsachen musst du wissen. Vielleicht beantwortet dies, zumindest teilweise, die Frage, wo einige der anderen Religionen ihren Ursprung haben.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">#6<br />
Auf die Tatsache, dass Gott durch Menschen redet, muss nicht weiter ausführlich eingegangen werden. An einer anderen Stelle soll mehr über das Amt des Propheten gesagt werden. Wichtig, wie bei allem, ist die Botschaft oder Offenbarung zu prüfen. Oftmals sind wir sehr beeindruckt, wenn Gott redet, dass wir uns zu sehr auf das wie, anstatt auf das was konzentrieren.</p>
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<link>http://waitingonthenewmoon.wordpress.com/?p=1204</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>poetryman69</dc:creator>
<guid>http://waitingonthenewmoon.wordpress.com/?p=1204</guid>
<description><![CDATA[The Dubya admiministration has given the green light for it&#8217;s neo con Nazi agents to worship S]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dubya admiministration has given the green light for it's neo con Nazi agents to worship Satan by torturing people as long as they practice <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-07-24-torture_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip">Adolf Hitlerian techniques in Good Faith.</a></p>
<p>If Hitler liked it the Bushmen loved it.  They are a bunch of Satan Worshiping Nazi war criminals.  Let the war crime trials and impeachment hearings begin.</p>
<p>Without conservatives there would be no torture.  You have only to examine the statements of the conservative mouth pieces:  Namely conservative talk show hosts, aka the Aryan Nation, aka Aryan Talk Show Hosts.</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>thenonconformer</dc:creator>
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<p>First, Roy Fields is back!  Others leading has been moving, but there is something about him that changes the atmosphere.  Roy, welcome back.  Second if you are in Lakeland Fl on the 4th of July there will be free food. From 4-7pm, next Friday there be a celebration with free food.  This will also lead into a water Baptism service.  I am just thrilled for both of these events.  The first shows a desire to reach out to  host community and give back to those who have given so much.  As important, the second is another example of how Fresh Fire and Ignited are taking care and shepherding those who are making profession of faith under their leadership.</p>
<p>Another fun fact, there is now a medical doctor who is reviewing all the medical reports about healing.  The desire for accountability and integrity is great in Lakeland.   One of the assistants said there is a four step process for those who take the stage professing healing<br />
1 Pastor volunteers from around the world, screen and test, those who claim to have received healing<br />
2 This is then relayed to those who bring the person on stage, to ensure what is shared is consistent<br />
3 After they are on the platform, a survey is filled out with symptoms, sign of healing and contacts.<br />
4 FOLLOW UP!  1-2 weeks a phone call is made to see how they are doing.</p>
<p>Just some random quotes form Todd Bentley… he really does use the name of Jesus.<br />
(This is just a sample, to show who the glory goes to)</p>
<p>“We are encouraging people to see doctors after healings.  I believe in medicine”<br />
“It is the power of Jesus.  We are powerless without the power of the Holy Ghost<br />
“Can we give thanks to Jesus for this.”<br />
“We want to give all we can, leally, to the media to give the glory to Jesus.”<br />
“We give all the glory to Jesus”<br />
“Can we give Jesus all the glory tonight?”<br />
while praying for healing, “Two new ankles in Jesus mighty name”</p>
<p>30 Reasons for Healings #16-30 (all verses NIV)</p>
<p>16. He does what he pleases – God is sovereign and healing happens because God chooses too.<br />
17. Charitable Giving- (whole chapters but verses) Acts 9: 36 In Joppa there was a disciple named Tabitha (which, when translated, is Dorcas), who was always doing good and helping the poor  and Acts10:2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.  Based on these verses miracles happens as a direct result of charitable giving.  It would seem that when we take care of the pour, God reaches and extra measure of the miracles.<br />
18. The Gospel – Mark 16:19-20 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly.    Healing is good news and,  according to Todd, the Gospel is the power of God as well as the message of salvation<br />
19.  I am a friend of God’s – John 15:15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.  God hears the prayers of His friends.  What do you do for your “true” friends?  The deeper the intimacy with God, the deeper the friendship. Is God your friend, because there seems to be many who understand Jehovah but do not understand Abba.  Abba, is the characteristic of a deep personal relationship.<br />
20. The Glory of God –  John 11:4 When he heard this, Jesus said, “This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God’s glory so that God’s Son may be glorified through it.”<br />
21. The cures of the Law – Romans 8:2  because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. Healings show that you free from the law of sin and death.<br />
22. Desperation: Mark 5:27 When she heard about Jesus, she came up behind him in the crowd and touched his cloak,  Sometime people need a touch so bad they push trough to get it.  “if only this small amount”  They are the ones who are desperate enough to reach out and get healed</p>
<p>23.  Connection locked up</p>
<p>24. Name of God – Exodus 15:26 He said, “If you listen carefully to the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees, I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, who heals you.”</p>
<p>25. Communion – 1 Corinthians 11:29-30 For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.  This would seem to be a reason why you are not, but if it bring sickness maybe it bring healing (my thought on it, time was short so the last were real quick)</p>
<p>26.  Gift of the Spirit- There was no verse give to justify this, but 1 Corinthians12:9-109to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.</p>
<p>27. The name of Jesus – Triune God, Jesus is God see #24</p>
<p>28.   The nature of the Holy Spirit – God creates when the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit moves.  It was after Genesis 1:2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. That God said, “Let there be light.”  IF the Spirit lives with us, then he is moving, we should expect creation (new body parts is creation).<br />
29. I am Saved – James 5:15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven.  Faith is a gift of the Spirit and only saved people have this.  So salvation, brings faith, faith brings healing.  And, yes because Jesus forgave my sins.<br />
30. Kingdom of God- Mathew 6:10 Your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.  There is no sickness in the Kingdom, God preformes creation in His kingdom, there are miricals in the Kingdom, let it be so here</p>
<p>These are the second half of the 30 reasons, each with scripture refrances.  People you may not like Todd Bentley, but please be careful arguing against the word of God.  For those around Todd, let him know I said “thanks for the teaching, it has meant a lot to me.”</p>
<p>On a personal note:  I blew out my knee today, while walking down some stairs.  It hurt to move or even put pressure on it.  Tonight, during the broadcast, I WAS HEALED.  Proof of this, I wrote this whole blog standing up.</p>
<p><a href="http://allenwilson.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/florida-healing-outpouring-with-todd-bentley-30-reasons-for-healing-16-30/">http://allenwilson.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/florida-healing-outpouring-with-todd-bentley-30-reasons-for-healing-16-30/</a></p>
<p>  the Lakeland critics   seem to be led by the devil..</p>
<div><span style="font-size:large;font-family:Tahoma;"><span style="font-size:medium;"><strong>Beware always</strong> of men and women, bullies, tormentors, control freaks,  persons, civil and public servants,  politicians, pastors, leaders, elders, who falsely do, will try to enslave you, oppress you, exploit you even while they claim they are proclaiming the truth, democracy, trying to help you, etc.,</span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Tahoma;"><span style="font-size:small;">Is 51:23 <em>..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.</em></span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><a title="http://postedat.wordpress.com/ CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://postedat.wordpress.com/">http://postedat.wordpress.com/</a> </span></div>
<div>Do see also</div>
<div><a href="http://b.1asphost.com/freelygiven/marriages.htm"><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span></a></div>
<div><a href="http://pbulow.tripod.com/">http://pbulow.tripod.com/</a></div>
<div><a href="http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/">http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/</a></div>
<div><a href="http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/">http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/</a></div>
<div> <a href="http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/">http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/</a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.socyberty.com/Advice/Are-You-a-Control-Freak.101788">http://www.socyberty.com/Advice/Are-You-a-Control-Freak.101788</a></div>
<div><a href="http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/wrongful-accusations/">http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/wrongful-accusations/</a> </div>
<div><a href="http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/">http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/</a></div>
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 THE WAY MANY FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICAL AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS  TRY TO ]]></description>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"> <span style="font-family:Tahoma;">THE WAY MANY FUNDAMENTAL EVANGELICAL AND SUPPOSEDLY PROFESSING CHRISTIAN CRITICS  TRY TO MAKE FUN AT OTHER CHRISTIANS IS SICKENING, A VERY POOR THEOLOGY AND IS SADLY NOW ALSO TYPICAL OF THE MUCH TOO OFTEN FALSE BASHING OF THE PENTECOSTALS  TOO!</span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-family:Tahoma;"><a href="http://hiscrivener.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/faith-healers-could-encounter-a-setback-at-the-altar/">http://hiscrivener.wordpress.com/2008/06/28/faith-healers-could-encounter-a-setback-at-the-altar/</a></span></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><a href="http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/george-banovs-blasphemous-prophecy-at-todd-bentleys-ordination/">http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/george-banovs-blasphemous-prophecy-at-todd-bentleys-ordination/</a></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">"“are you ranting”… my how you like to bash, insult people.. you do not know them even well enought to falsely even try to judge them, your apporach is quite immature and unspiritual too.. looking for a big fight cause someone had stepped on your sore toes.. I certainly hope you do not profess wrongfully to be a Christian to anyone, cause you do not act like it for sure… nor do I hope you abuse all the people like that who make a post here.. a sure way to next lose many people still too. Stay in God’s love and not rather in the flesh.. we may not agree, do have a right to differ, but we still do need to show love to the others.Need more input from me on the subjects.. I have it detailed even on 5 internet sites.. "     </p>
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<div><strong>It is very clear that the much too many false Critics of the Pentecostals will try to grasp at any straws to falsely bash the Pentecostal and still try to justify their immoral acts.. Any Christian being plagued with critics, opponents, unsubstantiated personal attacks too now, is really nothing new even to the past apostles, prophets , Jesus Christ himself who have face many similar bullies, groups etc., the devil is too ready an accuser of the Brethren, and tries to continually discredit any work of God even since the time of Jesus Christ himself now too even using inapplicable and distorted Biblical reasons and Bible verses now too I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings any of of the latter rain churches..  A MAJORITY OF THE CRITICS OF THE LATTER DAY REVIVALS, are too clearly their often diverting back wrongfully the topic discussions, making often personal insulting, unacceptable derogatory remarks is even THEIR typical unChristlike bulling Reponses, self righteous, a superiority attitude, and what else? is not the right approach from anyone and it does continue to reflect poorly on ALL OF THEM STILL too…  THE WAY THEY THEMSELVES DO UNDENIABLY POINT FINGERS AT THEIR SELF DEFINED OPPONENTS, IN A JUDGMENTAL MANNER, UNLOVING, UNKIND, UNJUSTIFIABLE MANNER IS CLEARLY THE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE NOW TOO. And very revealing what they are firstly like themselves<br />
</strong><a href="http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/understanding-me-and-others-better/"><strong>http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/understanding-me-and-others-better/</strong></a></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Tahoma;">"I have read in the last month every wordpress site, and many others sites openly bashing, abusing, slandering  the Florida revival, Todd, the latter day Pentecostals and  yet to date I personally have not read, seen one valid criticism, decent presentation at all.. what a great shocker.. It all seems more like little immature, jealous kids still fighting over which one of them will be the greatest in the kingdom of heaven and who will be last.. what a real  absurdity.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Tahoma;">Don't get desperate but get real... like I have rightfully said I also would not take any criticism even seriously by persons who admittedly even admit they are opposed to all charismatic’s gifts, speaking in tongues included, and the persons who do not acknowledge even themselves now having never received a clear, specific baptism of the Holy Spirit firstly, and also especially when also they themselves have not attended these meetings, or the meetings  of any of the latter rain churches.. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Tahoma;">I did not say Charismatic supposedly churches.. cause we know those often mean rather the Catholic Pentecostals..</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Tahoma;">as to what the Bible says is only how you here do  interpret it.. not the Holy Spirit. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Tahoma;">I have been a Christian for 50 years and a Pentecostal pastor for the last 30 years, and I have attended the  latter day churches too and often..  and specifically what about you? not the supposed others..</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Tahoma;">The Latter Rain movement was rejected by the AoG Pentecostals in 1948 as heretical... and they are speaking for God now.. dream on.. There are other pentacostal denominations who support them, approve of them, me included.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Tahoma;">The full Gospel Business Men's fellowship uses a similar approach for decades now too.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Tahoma;">many persons bashing other Pentecostals  with clearly a hidden agenda is still the wrong thing to do now too.. they are not doing it in love or humility Cleary as required by the Bible now  too. " </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">Evangelical Fundamentalism too often also replaces the worship of God , the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the sole worship of the Bible, bypassing the works of the Holy Spirit it seems, though most Fundamentalists will deny that. Liberalism, too, replaces the worship of God, and of the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ   with the worship of something else. In the case of Liberalism, however, the worship of God was replaced by the worship of mere human reason , and both groups are not that far apart, for they are are in error.<br />
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Fundamentalists worship every word and letter in the Bible. Actually, they worship their own private interpretation of scripture (compare 2 Peter 1:20). This is the same error that the Pharisees fell into. They ended up worshiping Torah more than God, and, even more than Torah, they worshiped their own interpretations (and the interpretations of the elders) of Torah. (They still do so today, only now they have codified those traditions into the Talmud.) Likewise, so do Fundamentalists worship their own interpretation of Scripture. In both cases, “they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever.” (Romans 1:25).<br />
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Fundamentalists  and Liberals too need to learn the truth of 2 Corinthians 3:6, “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” They need to seek God in SPIRIT and in Truth. Liberals need to learn the truth of John 4:23 (quoted above) and of John 6:63, “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit  and they are life.” They need to seek God in Spirit and in TRUTH.   <a title="http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/12941.htm CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/12941.htm">http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/12941.htm</a></span></div>
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<div>   <a href="http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/">http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/hard-to-tell-the-difference/</a></div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Arial;">Reality! These days it is too hard to tell the difference between secular persons and even evangelical pastors, they seem to do the same bad things too</span></div>
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<div>And when I see shallow arguments  of anyone still limiting today as to what God can do, even through us, EVEN ABOUT HEALING,  it makes me rightfully also think how shallow their Christian faith now really is.. they are still babies in the Lord and need someone to teach them the whole truth, the whole , full gospel too, for my God can do anything, Jesus is the same , yesterday, today and forever.</div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">ON TOP OF THAT I CANNOT BELIEVE HOW SO MANY OF THESE SAME PERSONS PERSONS ALSO FALSEY RISE TO DEFEND SMOKING, WINE, ALCOHOL AS WELL AND WORKFULLY DENY IT IS SINFUL.. "Spurgeon was once asked when he would quit smoking cigars. He replied, “When it becomes a problem.” He was then asked, “When will it become a problem?” To which he replied, “When I smoke two at a time.” AND look at all the false justifications for Spurgeon’s sin.. and do see also  </span><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"> <a href="http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/alcoholism-the-unacceptable-sin/"><span style="font-size:medium;color:#000080;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;">alcoholism the unacceptable sin</span></span></a></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">When you talk about what the scriptures says you honestly should also point out that you mean it is how you now interpret what the scripture says.. cause too many of us read different things out of the same scriptures as we all do know firstly..</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">The people who also tell us to use only the Bible often still lie further to us.. they ask us also to use men’s commentaries, instead of the Holy spirit to next interpret the Bible.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">(Eph 4:18 KJV)  Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><strong>I tend to look at both sides of the issues myself.. for</strong> that matter I have now been both non Christian, and Christian, both  Baptist  and Pentecostal, and both groups still do have major errors, weakness, inadequacies, and they now also have some  good points  too.. but still there is no such thing as a perfect denomination now as well</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">But one other thing often is clearly is evident to me visiting, reading the many so called Professing Christians sites mostly all telling us the supposed truth, postings often more with dishonest hidden agendas, poorly researched too, very biased now too.. It also seems to me they are also still  are trying to convince themselves  as to what is the truth is and no one else, they build up their own false straw arguments, and then do  reply to their  own arguments. It is generally too often now not an honest presentation, discussion of the topic they have presented.</span></div>
<div><a href="http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/todd-bentley-gets-annointed-by-special-oil-from-africa/">http://slaughteringthesheep.wordpress.com/2008/07/01/todd-bentley-gets-annointed-by-special-oil-from-africa/</a> </div>
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<p>&#62;&#62;Pastors are going there by the droves. I know one personally. He went to Toronto to bring some of “it” back and he’s done the same thing with Lakeland. I think he thinks this will be the answer to filling the seats in his church, "</p>
<p>Did he really tell you that or are you in truth distorting, lying, falsely judging him and many others cause you are a controling person ?</p>
<p>I see nothing wrong in going there and I am real Christian now too</p></div>
<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><a href="http://christiantheology.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/depart-from-me-i-never-knew-you/">http://christiantheology.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/depart-from-me-i-never-knew-you/</a></span></div>
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The nonconformer replied "I never knew you, is not a criticism by Jesus that the healings, miracles done by the person(s) were false.. but a true statement that they really never knew Jesus fully or personally, it seems to apply to you now firstly too.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">You are so sensitive to others being supposedly false, cause you clearly are false, now take the beam out of your own eye first..  Someone is wrong here and I don’t think it is that difficult (except perhaps for you) to determine who that is and that is you.. for you do twist Bible verses, slander, falsely quickly bash  others to suit your own views..  </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">Clearly Judas was an Apostle, better look at the definition of an Apostle, an Apostle is not an unchristian person.. and he was next replaced in the book of acts by another Apostle. The fact that Jesus knew that Judas would betray him does not mean he was not anointed.. but first better look at the meaning of the word anointed now.. one who evidences the Holy spirit.. with signs and wonders Acts 10:38</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">If you do not let the Holy spirit lead you as to what a verse actually means you are part of the Blind leading the blind now, forget trying to say the scripture cannot be wrong, rather you are wrong.. "You throw the term free will around as if it does not need to be defined. " and yet you clearly in desperation rebuttal quoted back a verse that has nothing to do with one's free will. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">"You have contradicted now three times the Word of Jesus," and what a further false and wrong, judgmental act on your part too, you so easily condemn a person whom you do not know, never met, another real Christian,  a real christian now over  50 years too, and I have been pastoring now for over 3 decades as a Pentecostal pastor too. So get a real life. Really do get Jesus."</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><strong>Why is it so many people try too limit the power of God,</strong> and they work so hard to try to tell us what God can and cannot do today.. for sure,  definitely it is not only cause they are spiritually immature, have a hidden agenda, are promoting themselves,  or they are unoriginal parrots who repeat what others have said , but it is often still mainly because Satan for sure is behind all this too.</span></div>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:medium;">Evangelical fundamental parrots often need to quote someone else cause they do not know the Holy spIrit well enough to let him lead them, even the truth about healing. I SPEAK FOR MYSELF. </span><a title="http://pbulow.tripod.com/healing.html CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://pbulow.tripod.com/healing.html"><span style="font-size:medium;">http://pbulow.tripod.com/healing.html</span></a><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></span></p>
<p><a href="http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/64/">http://anyonecare.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/64/</a></p>
<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">Is 45:5 I am the Lord, and there is no one else; there is no God besides Me. I will gird {and} arm you, though you have not known Me,</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;">(Jer 32:27 KJV)  Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Tahoma;"><span style="font-size:small;">Is 51:23 <em>..your tormentors {and} oppressors, those who said to you, Bow down, that we may ride {or} tread over you; and you have made your back like the ground and like the street for them to pass over.</em></span></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><a title="http://postedat.wordpress.com/ CTRL + Click to follow link" href="http://postedat.wordpress.com/">http://postedat.wordpress.com/</a> </span></div>
<div>Do see also</div>
<div><a href="http://b.1asphost.com/freelygiven/marriages.htm"><span style="font-size:medium;font-family:Arial;"><span style="font-size:small;"> </span></span></a></div>
<div><a href="http://pbulow.tripod.com/">http://pbulow.tripod.com/</a></div>
<div><a href="http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/">http://thenonconformer.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/hidden-agendas/</a></div>
<div><a href="http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/">http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/the-pretender-imposter-wolf-in-sheep-clothing/</a></div>
<div> <a href="http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/">http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/control-freaks/</a></div>
<div><a href="http://www.socyberty.com/Advice/Are-You-a-Control-Freak.101788">http://www.socyberty.com/Advice/Are-You-a-Control-Freak.101788</a></div>
<div><a href="http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/wrongful-accusations/">http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/wrongful-accusations/</a> </div>
<div><a href="http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/">http://thefocusonthefamily.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/verbal-abuse-is-always-unacceptable-too/</a></div>
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<link>http://postedat.wordpress.com/?p=50</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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by Steve Wohlberg
Romans 11:26 says, &#8220;And so all Israel will be sav]]></description>
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<p><span>by <cite>Steve Wohlberg</cite></span></p>
<p>Romans 11:26 says, "And so all Israel will be saved." What does this mean?</p>
<p>Obviously, it doesn't mean every Jew will be saved. In fact, the same chapter says God hopes to "save <em>some</em> of them" (vs. 14). Judas was a Jew, yet we know he will be lost for betraying Christ. Jesus called him, "the son of perdition" (John 17:12). Jesus told many Jews, "If you do not believe I am He [the Messiah], you will die in your sins" (John 8:24). Not every Jew believes in Jesus Christ, thus many will "die in their sins" and be lost.</p>
<p>Many Christians today interpret Romans 11:26 as applying to the end of the seven-year tribulation when Jesus appears in the clouds at His Second Coming. In other words, they don't apply the verse to all Jews throughout history, but only to "all Jews" who are alive at the end. Supposedly, at the end of the tribulation, all remaining Jews in Israel will look up, see Christ coming in the clouds, realize He is the true Messiah, believe in Him, and thus "All Israel will be saved."</p>
<p>This is a false teaching, as I will attempt to show.</p>
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<li>First, the context of Romans 11 is not the Second Coming.</li>
<li>"There is no partiality with God" (Romans 2:5-11). It would be an act of partiality to save "all Jews" at the end, but not "all Jews" in history. The idea is, "When all final Jews see Christ coming in the clouds, then they will believe." But this would give those final Jews a supposedly irresistible opportunity to believe in Jesus Christ which past Jews have not had. Nor would this be fair to "all Gentiles" living at the end. Why would God save all Jews at the end but not all Gentiles? All Gentiles will see Jesus coming just like all Jews.</li>
<li>When Christ finally appears in the clouds, IT'S TOO LATE TO BELIEVE IN HIM. Rev. 22:11,12 says that <em>before </em>He comes in the clouds, all decisions have already been made. Jesus said it will be like Noah's day (Mat. 24:37-39). In Noah's day the door of the ark closed <em>before</em> the flood came (Gen. 7:16). When the flood came, it was too late. To save all Jews AT THE SECOND COMING would be like saving all those outside the ark WHEN THE RAIN STARTED FALLING.</li>
<li>When Jesus comes in the clouds, this is the time of judgment upon ALL unbelievers who don't know God nor obey the gospel (2 Thess. 1:7-10; Jude 14,15).</li>
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<p>So what does this mean, "All Israel shall be saved"? First of all, Romans 9:6 says there are two Israels. one is an Israel according to the flesh (Romans 9:3,4) and the other is the Israel of God (Galatians 6:14-16). The Israel of God is composed of both Jews and Gentiles who believe in Jesus Christ (Gal. 3:29). Gentiles who believe are grafted in. They become part of the "same body" with believing Jews (Eph. 3:6). Paul calls this unity of believing Jews and Gentiles, "<em>the mystery</em> of Christ" (Eph. 3:4).</p>
<p>The immediate context of Romans 11:26 is vs. 25. When "the fullness of the Gentiles has come in," then "all Israel will be saved." Or, to be exact, "<em>And so</em> all Israel will be saved." In other words, the coming in of the fullness or total number of the Gentiles results in "all Israel" being saved. Paul's idea seems to be that when <em>all </em>Gentiles (totally, throughout history) have <em>come in</em>, that is, have been grafted into the Vine, they, uniting with <em>all</em> Jews who have become believers, will form the total number of the saved. Paul also reveals that when Gentiles come in, God can use this to motivate some Jews to believe (verses 11 &#38; 14). Vs. 25 calls this whole thing, "this mystery," which we have already proven to be the "mystery" of both Jews and Gentiles being united in one body through Christ (Eph. 3:4,6). Vs. 27 says all are saved because Christ <em>takes away their sins through His covenant, </em>which must be the New Covenant, which applies to all believers, Jew and Gentile. Thus the "all Israel" that is saved is the total group of believing Gentiles and Jews combined.</p>
<p>The "all Israel that is saved" does not apply to all Jews throughout history, nor can it apply to a select favored group who become instant believers when Jesus Christ comes crashing down through the sky. By that time, it is too late to believe.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=54">http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=54</a></p>
<p> <a href="http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=24">http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=24</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=25">http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=25</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=56">http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/details.cfm?art=56</a></p>
<p>do see also <a href="http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/who-rules-your-rulers-god-himself/">http://postedat.wordpress.com/2008/07/24/who-rules-your-rulers-god-himself/</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Visions of the Rapture, Tribulation, the Holy City, &amp; the Thrones of GOD  and  satan. The testimony of an 8 year old girl who encountered Jesus Christ. (Janet Balderas Canela, Puerto Rico) ]]></title>
<link>http://tadens.wordpress.com/?p=112</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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Visions of the Rapture, Tribulation, the Holy City, 		&amp; the Thrones of GOD  and satan.
The te]]></description>
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<p align="center"><strong><span style="color:#800000;font-size:x-large;">Visions of the Rapture, Tribulation, the Holy City, 		&#38; the Thrones of GOD </span><span style="color:#800000;font-size:large;"> and satan</span><span style="color:#800000;font-size:x-large;">.<br />
</span><span style="color:#800000;font-size:large;">The testimony of an 8 year old girl  		who encountered Jesus Christ. </span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"><strong><br />
(<em>Janet Balderas Canela, </em></strong></span><strong><em><span style="font-size:x-small;">Puerto Rico</span><span style="font-size:medium;">)</span></em></strong><em><span style="color:#008000;font-size:x-small;"><br />
Originally Translated from Spanish Audio, Illustrations were added and  		not part of the original testimony.  This testimony has been  		verified and confirmed by an independent &#38; trusted prophet. </span></em></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:medium;">Dear  brothers, may the Lord bless all of you in this hour.  Let's read from the  Bible in <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Corinthians%2012:1-4;&#38;version=31"> 2 Corinthians 12:1-4</a>, the Holy Word of God. In the name of the Father, the  Son, and the Holy Ghost </span><em><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;">"I must go on  boasting.  Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions  and revelations from the Lord.  I know a man in Christ who fourteen years  ago was caught up to the third heaven.  Whether it was in the body or out  of the body I do not know—God knows.  And I know that this man—whether in  the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—was caught up to  paradise.  He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted  to tell."</span></em><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></p>
<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">I will relate to you an experience that I had with the Lord  on September 5th, 1999.  We were in the church and the power of God was  there filling our lives.  I fell to the floor and felt the Lord's presence  in me.  I felt that the Lord was dealing with me, and He began to show me  visions.</span></p>
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<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">In one vision, I saw two roads, one was very wide, with  	many people walking on it, but they were walking towards their destruction.   	The other road was very narrow, I saw there were many people walking down  	this road, praising and giving honor to the Lord.</span></p>
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<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;"> <img src="http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/8_year_old_girl/Dragon.gif" border="0" alt="Dragon" width="138" height="147" align="left" />Then  	the Lord showed me another vision where an angel was fighting with a dragon.  	The dragon threw fire and demons to this Earth.</span></p>
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<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;"> <img src="http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/8_year_old_girl/clock.gif" border="0" alt="Clock" width="143" height="145" align="right" />After  	that I saw another vision of a very bright shining clock. It was made of  	gold.  The time shown was twelve o'clock.  But I saw a hand make  	the clock go back to eleven o'clock.  The Lord told me, </span><strong><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em>"Look, My servant, I take the time  	back because My people are not prepared as I want them to be, I am taking  	the time back, because My people don't praise Me as I want, that is why,  	because of My great mercy I am giving a last chance, so that everyone that  	comes to My feet shall receive eternal life"</em></span></strong></p>
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<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">Then the Lord showed me another vision, while I was still  lying on the floor.  I saw a man riding a horse towards me.  He  extended His hands, and got closer to where I was laying on the floor.   Then I felt the Lord take me into His arms.  I felt Him take my spirit out  of my body and into His Arms.  We then began to ride, we rode upwards and  stopped in a place not too high or low.  He said to me, </span> <span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em><strong>"Look My servant, I told you that I was  going to bring you with Me, and that is what I am doing now, because what I say  with My mouth I fulfill.  What I say, I do.  That is why I have  brought you here My servant.  But first I will show you My wounds, so you  will take into account and never forget what I have done for all of you."</strong></em></span></p>
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<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">We arrive to the Throne of God and the Lord showed me the  place where the nails were put and where His side was pierced.  He also  showed me how He was whipped.  I saw all the marks and stripes He took for  all of us.  He said, </span><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em><strong>"Look My  servant, many of you do not take into account all I have done for you, many of  you forget that I died for you on the Calvary cross, and I feel pain My servant.   I feel pain when My people deny me, like opening that wound again, and it hurts  Me.  It is like they are crucifying Me again on the cross." </strong> </em></span> <span style="font-size:medium;"> I saw how the Lord was crying, because He feels pain when we let Him down. </span></p>
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<p align="center"><strong><span style="font-size:large;">-HEAVEN-</span></strong></p>
<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;"> <img src="http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/8_year_old_girl/Heaven_New_Jerusalem_City_of_God.gif" border="0" alt="//www.revelationillustrated.com" width="176" height="132" align="right" />He  said, </span> <span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em><strong>"Servant I will show you many things, I  will show you the streets of gold and the crystal sea, so you can go and tell My  people the grandeurs that I have for them.</strong>" </em></span></p>
<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">We soon arrived to a place with beautiful  streets, so beautiful.  I have never seen or touched such things on Earth.   The streets were shining!  The Lord said, </span><strong><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em> "My servant, touch this street of gold, because you and My people will live  here, because here My people will ride very soon."</em></span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> I saw the reflection of the Lord and me riding together. </span></p>
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<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">After that we arrived at the crystal sea, it was so  beautiful.  While I was riding with the Lord through that precious sea He  told me, </span> <strong> <span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em>"My servant, all this is not Mine, all this is  for My people.  All that you can touch I have prepared it with so much love  for My people."</em></span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> Then He said, </span><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em><strong> "Servant come here, because I will show you other things."</strong></em></span></p>
<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">We then arrived in a beautiful place where I  could see the glory of God, and feel His Power.  It was a big beautiful  place.  I saw many tables, so I asked the Lord, </span> <em> <span style="color:#000080;font-size:medium;">"Lord what are all these tables are for?"</span></em><span style="font-size:medium;"> He said, </span><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em> <strong>"Servant, remember the  Wedding of the Lamb, remember that on these tables we will celebrate the Wedding  of the Lamb."</strong> </em></span><span style="font-size:medium;"> I saw countless numbers of  tables, and I could not see the end of them.  There were angels at each  table, so I asked the Lord, </span><em><span style="color:#000080;font-size:medium;">"Lord, why  is there an angel at each table and at each chair?"</span><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"> </span> <span style="font-size:medium;">The Lord said, </span><strong><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;">"My  servant, these angels are decorating the tables, these angels are getting ready  each table because I am already preparing everything."</span></strong></em></p>
<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">Dear brothers, those tables were so shiny, all  of them were made of gold.  The tables were very nicely decorated.  I  saw how each angel was putting on the fork, the knife, the spoon, the glasses,  the dishes, all made of gold, so beautiful.  The Lord told me, </span><strong> <span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em>"Servant, tell My people to get ready because  very soon I will take them with Me so they can come here and enjoy with Me in  the Wedding of the Lamb."</em></span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></p>
<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">It was so beautiful, the presence of the Lord  could be felt there, such glory and majesty!  The Lord said, </span><strong><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"> <em>"Servant, come here because I will show you other things."</em></span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> We arrive at a place with many beautiful doors, so many beautiful doors.  I  said, </span> <em> <span style="color:#000080;font-size:medium;">"Lord what's behind those doors?"</span></em><span style="font-size:medium;"> He said, </span><strong><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em>"Behind these doors are My  disciples, behind these doors are My apostles, behind these doors are all those  who once walked over the Earth praising and glorifying My Name."</em></span></strong></p>
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<p align="center"><strong>-MARY-</strong></p>
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<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;"><img src="http://spiritlessons.com/Documents/8_year_old_girl/bow_before_mary.jpg" alt="worship mary" width="192" height="119" align="right" />We  began to ride again and arrive at a door that was half-opened, and the Lord  said, </span><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em> <strong>"Servant come here, come here because behind this door is Mary.  Get  close and hear what she is saying, so you can go and tell My people, so you can  tell the people how Mary is suffering."</strong></em></span><span style="font-size:medium;"> I  got closer and saw a young lady, such a beautiful young lady, so beautiful, her  face was so pretty.  She was looking through a very tiny window.  She  was kneeling down and looking to the face of the Earth, crying with tremendous  pain. </span></p>
<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">She said, </span> <span style="color:#0000ff;font-size:medium;"><em>"Why are you worshiping me? Why, if I do not  have any power!  Why are you worshiping me?  I do not do anything!   Do not worship me!  Do not bow before me!  For I cannot save you!   The only one that can save, the only one that can redeem you is Jesus, who died  for all mankind!  Many people say that I have power, that I can perform  miracles, but that is a lie!  I do not do anything!  Almighty God was  satisfied with me and He used my womb so that Jesus could be born and save  everyone, but I don't have any power.  I cannot do anything!  Do not  bow before me!  Do not worship me!  For I am not worthy of worship.   The only one that is worthy, the only one that you bow before and adore is  Jesus!  He is the only one that heals and saves!"</em></span></p>
<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;"> I could see how that young lady was in such  tremendous pain, full of anguish and crying.  She said, </span><span style="color:#0000ff;font-size:medium;"><em> "No! No! Do not worship me!  Why do you bow before me?  I don't do  anything!" </em> </span><span style="font-size:medium;">You see dear brothers, it was a tremendous thing to look  at this young lady, how she was crying with such pain and sadness.</span></p>
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<p align="center"><strong>-ROBES AND CROWNS-</strong></p>
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<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">The Lord told me, </span><strong><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em> "Servant come here, because I will continue showing you things."</em></span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> We arrive at a very beautiful place where I could feel the glory of God.  I  saw lines and lines of white robes, so very white and beautiful!  I touched  them and the Lord said, </span><strong><span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"> <em>"Servant, touch these robes, because these robes are for all of you."</em></span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> </span></p>
<p align="justify"><span style="font-size:medium;">I saw many lines and touched the fine clothe.   It was so shining and white, like nothing I have touched on Earth.  The  Lord said, </span><strong> <span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em>"Servant, these robes are for all of you."</em></span></strong><span style="font-size:medium;"> There were tears running down the Lord's cheeks.  The Lord said, </span> <strong> <span style="color:#800000;font-size:medium;"><em>"Servant, many of these white robes will  remain here, waiting for someone to take them.  Many of these robes will  remain here, waiting for a body."</em></span></st