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<title><![CDATA[Crackhouse Expansion Planned]]></title>
<link>http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/?p=416</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 18:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;ve just got word from Greg Laden that Ham is expanding his Kentucky crackhouse to feature a ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've just got word from <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2008/05/creationism_museum_to_expand_t.php">Greg Laden</a> that Ham is expanding his Kentucky crackhouse to feature a playground for the kids.</p>
<blockquote><p>"The Answers in Genesis Creation Museum of Kentucky is planing to expand. Some of the expansion will be internal ... the construction of additional kiosks. Some will be external, including the construction of a playground. All of the planned expansion efforts will be targeted towards children.</p>
<p>Ken Ham, director of the museum, also indicated in a recent interview that the purpose of the museum was to convert people to Christianity. This is something that should be noted by any public schools planning on sending children to this facility."</p></blockquote>
<p>Here's the <a href="http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/416583.html">source</a>. All in the efforts to proselytize children into believing every stupid lie Ham gives out at his crackhouse. Oh and don't believe him when he says that,</p>
<blockquote><p>"his group wants to see people converted to Christianity, but wants to influence people directly, rather than challenge school boards to add creationism to curricula."</p></blockquote>
<p>cuz' knowing him, he will go ahead and challenge the school boards anyway, anything to proselytize children the same way Hitler proselytize children in Germany prior to WWII.</p>
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<p>My other site is STILL DOWN! :mad: I thought the server had everything all fixed last night and I was able to resume improving my sitemap for the site only to have the site get down again!!! What the heck is going on with the server's database for crying out loud?! :mad:</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Dino Den, The Worst Dinosaur Exhibit Ever!]]></title>
<link>http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/?p=408</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 06:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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Reposted from my sister blog and revised&#8211; There&#8217;s a 2-floor section that&#8217;s been o]]></description>
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<img src="http://media.bpsdb.org/bpsdb_02s.png" alt="BPSDB" width="125" height="93" align="left" /></a><strong>Reposted from <a href="http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/2007/11/25/dino-den-the-worst-dinosaur-exhibit-ever/">my sister blog</a> and revised</strong>-- There's a 2-floor section that's been opened at Ham’s Crackhouse since July 4th of last year to accompany <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bluefork/515031352/sizes/l/in/set-72157600269342444/">the Jurassic Park Dinosaur knock-offs</a> that litter many parts of the crackhouse. Known as <a href="http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2007/07/10/dinos-in-the-den">Dino  Den</a>, this section, just like the junkstore next to it, the outside area of the crackhouse, and the walkthrough entrance way in the main lobby, is littered with several dinosaur and pterosaur models that are wrongly inaccurate and unrealistically made (i.e. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chippa/1852020203/sizes/o/in/set-72157602896409296/">no hair and tiny teeth on a pteranodon</a>, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bluefork/515020377/sizes/l/in/set-72157600269342444/">dromaeosaurs with unbird-like appearance</a> bearing <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenfrog808/2047959241/in/photostream/">no coating of feathers on their bodies</a>, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mimi_merlot/2176947416/">Allosaurus-like dinosaur wrongly shown to walk on 4 legs instead of two</a>, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenfrog808/2049003774/sizes/l/">incorrect scale patterns on an Iguanodon</a>, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bluefork/515077439/sizes/l/in/set-72157600269342444/">Baryonyx grossly portrayed erroneously as a 4 legged wingless dragon</a> with dog ears, additional horns on its head, spikes jutting all over its back, and a tail ending with an arrow tip, <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bluefork/511763518/sizes/l/">Tyrannosaurs in the outside forested area shown in a classic yet now-incorrect upright, tail-dragging pose</a>; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenfrog808/2047972237/">the tyrannosaur in the Dino Den section shown to have wrinkle skin and a wrong-shaped head</a>, etc.) as if they’re 3D versions of amateur dinosaur drawings made for a small children's book, including a few models of <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chippa/1852640050/">baby Triceratops dinosaurs with blankets and saddles on their backs</a> you could've sworn these is all the result of Buddy Davis, one of Ham's cronies who's made these models, getting his "inspiration" for these models from James Gurney's fantasy series <em>Dinotopia</em>-- hard core evidence of where creationists ever got their ideas and "inspirations" for their pseudo-bible histories from, science fiction and fantasy books. Science fiction beget science fiction and Science fiction beget religious cults including Scientology and young earthism.</p>
<p>Both rooms, the section and the junkstore, is set with a very unrealistic Medieval background. In <a href="http://blogs.answersingenesis.org/aroundtheworld/2007/07/05/dinosaur-independence-day-at-the-creation-museum/">his  own bogus blog</a>, Ham, in his own sick, delusional mind claims,</p>
<p><em>"Dinosaurs received their “independence” at the Creation Museum on July 4. Instead of being captured by evolutionists, they have been released to be able to have their “freedom,” as explained in a biblical context—which is the correct way to explain their history."</em></p>
<p>You call that independence? You called that freedom? How are evolutionists capturing the dinosaurs, Ham? Or is it just another one of your stupid, empty-headed declarations of ignorance, denial, and distortions of biblical context that promotes no freedom and no correct ways of explaining any history let alone dinosaur history that's entirely all made up to just rally your fool-hearted followers into believing all your stupid lies?</p>
<p><span class="fullpost">The dinosaur and pterosaur models dotting Dino Den and the junkstore, shown on flickr and on Ham’s bogus blog, are made by Buddy Davis who’s notorious for claiming to have allegedly found “fresh” unfossilized dinosaur remains in Alaska <a href="http://laelaps.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/aig-unfossilized-bones-and-the-lies-therein/">that  were really fossilized after all</a>. The exhibit also claims to have “real” fossil bones and eggs of dinosaurs shown along with the models. But are they really real, or are they just faked, cast versions of fossil eggs and bones made to look real? Knowing their blatant dishonesty in what they claimed about, I’d say the fossils shown at the exhibit are all fakes in which some are forged from Buddy’s studio and made to make it as if they are real while it’s not. </span></p>
<p>Other dinosaur models, which in many cases are animatronic robots shown in other parts of the crackhouse, also in very unrealistic settings, such as <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dt10111/2113611144/sizes/l/">a wall of a city</a> are just <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chippa/1852739426/sizes/l/">knock-off versions of <em>Jurassic Park</em></a> dinosaurs made by a man who formerly works for Universal Studios in Orlando, Florida.</p>
<p>The exhibit is said to also contain a <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenfrog808/2047960243/">badly built cast skeleton of a Triceratops</a> that’s not as accurate as the real skeletal mounts of Triceratops as shown in real museums based on the latest studies on the dinosaur’s bone structure. The mount, <a href="http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Crazyharp81602/251-5135_img.jpg">as  shown in Ham’s crackhouse</a>, is built to portray Triceratops in an old  fashioned pose while modern reconstructions of Triceratops shows a <a href="http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Crazyharp81602/triceratops_skeleton.jpg">more  accurate dynamic pose</a> based on modern studies of the anatomy of this  three-horned dinosaur.</p>
<p>The exhibit will also feature videos and a theater where tourists can go in and see a 12 minute film promoting the dragon/dinosaur fallacy which <a href="http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/2006/11/25/book-rebuttal-the-great-dinosaur-mystery-and-the-bible-part-3/">I’ve  shown to you all to be nothing more than fabrications</a> creationists have rigged up by taking ancient literature out of context and twist them to fit their "baby earth" perspective and to make it as if they are accounts of people meeting live dinosaurs instead of what they really are. Then, the tourists will be escorted to the junkstore, the so-called “dragon bookstore” unrealistically resembling a castle reading room where dotting the area are unrealistically made pterosaur models and a Baryonyx that isn't and scores of crappy junk being sold at, including a book that targets young children entitled, <a href="http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51T45FVDWXL._SS500_.jpg">It’s  Designed To Do What It Does Do</a>, which is also made up by Davis (Based on one of his idiot songs, no doubt.) who along with Ham has made this book up to compete against <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Little-Dinosaurs-Picture-Book-Wiggle/dp/0939251744/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-9128004-0462208?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1184189209&#38;sr=8-1">Ten  Little Dinosaurs</a> and other toddler-style wiggly eye books for the minds of little toddlers, who are extremely vulnerable to be exposed at by even the most dangerous and venomous of lies ever spew out in front of their faces by Davis and Ham’s’ fairy tale literature.</p>
<p>It’s without doubt all made up to take advantage of both the huge popularity of dinosaurs and the people (mainly children) who love dinosaurs deeply and plan to use such models to proselytize people especially children into believing all their stupid lies, pseudo-histories, pseudo-bible stories, pseudo-Christianity, and empty fantasies creationists made up about dinosaurs for their own criminal ends. Thus, Dino Den is, without doubt, <strong>the worst dinosaur exhibit ever.</strong></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Stuff like this makes me real mad!! &gt;:-(]]></title>
<link>http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/?p=359</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 23:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Last night, Dinochick gave out this article that really made my blood boil! 2 creationists are givin]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night, <a href="http://paleochick.blogspot.com/2008/03/omg-they-have-made-nightly-news.html">Dinochick</a> gave out <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/FaithMatters/story?id=4467337&#38;page=1">this article</a> that really made my blood boil! 2 creationists are giving out tours at a real prestigious museum in Colorado, mentally abusing the minds of children with stupid lies, the most brain dead of idiocy, and nonsense beyond nonsense. How can any museum ever, EVER allow such things to occur!? :mad:</p>
<p>Such things like that really affirms and solidifies <a href="http://noanswersingenesis.org.au/AiG_funding_satan.htm">John Stear's truthfull opinion</a> that poisoning children with lies and ignorance is one of the worst forms of child abuse ever performed. Indoctrinating children into false teaching is one thing, but doing it at a hallowed, prestigious museum <strong><em>is murder!</em></strong></p>
<p>I have <a href="http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/the-sic-biblically-correct-tours/">an old article</a> that deals with these 2 creationists and how I express that if I was curator of any natural history museum and these creationists are seen making tours and telling stupid lies to children, I'd throw them out and not allow such tours to ever happen.</p>
<p>Look at what these 2 knuckleheads are teaching to the kids!</p>
<blockquote><p><em>"Standing in the lobby of the Denver Museum of Nature &#38; Science, Bill Jack and Rusty Carter pointed to the enormous teeth on the reproduced skeleton of a Tyrannosaurs Rex, and told a group of children and their parents that the fearsome T-Rex was really a vegetarian. </em></p>
<p><em>They said the T-Rex was vegetarian because at the time of the Creation, there was no such thing as death, so a T-Rex could not have eaten meat. There was no death until Adam and Eve ate forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge, they continued, and God's revenge was to curse the world with death."</em></p></blockquote>
<p align="left">There was such a thing as death before Adam and Eve ate the tree of knowledge. Have you ever heard of <a href="http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/2007/10/21/creationist-crank-about-plants/">plant death</a>? What about the Tree of life? If there was no such thing as death, then God would've never bothered to put the Tree of Life in the garden in the first place. An if Tyrannosaurus rex was a vegetarian, then all of the features of a carnivore God put in T.rex would have been totally worthless. Now get a load of this headache,</p>
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<p align="left"><em>"Jack asked, 'If this creature was designed to eat meat from the very start, what would he have to do until Adam and Eve sinned and death entered the world? What would he have to do?' The children replied in chorus, 'Starve.'</em><br />
'Fast and pray for The Fall. Is that likely?' Jack asked. The answer is, everyone look at me and say, 'No.' Try that with me.' 'No!' the children replied."</p>
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<p align="left">Starve? Fast? Pray? Ha! Since when did God gave an animal that can't think and reason the ability to fast and pray for it to be set up for the Fall? If starvation, fasting and praying to be duped doesn't make T.rex suffer, then indigestion of plants will! Plants and fruit will make T.rex sicker than a dog. His stomach as well as his claws, teeth, and eye facing forward is <strong>not</strong> designed to digest plants, but only meat instead.</p>
<p>I'm not going to look at the article to spare myself from a long lingering headache. You just going to have to take some Excedrin pills and see the article for yourself... if you dare.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[There is No Joy in Creationism]]></title>
<link>http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/?p=324</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 20:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[There is no joy in creationism. Let me say it again, There is no joy in creationism! Instead there i]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>There is no joy in creationism</strong>. Let me say it again, There is <em>no joy</em> in creationism! Instead there is pure hatred, anger, and rage in and around the area. If there is joy in creationism, then the only joy in creationism is nothing but a false and fleeting sense of it. What you're going to read is a sworn testimony to the unbending truth that there is absolutely no joy in creationism coming from no other than myself who have been through it all.</p>
<p><strong>Creationism is all of the Devil</strong>. It never came from God to begin with. Even the Devil is known to use God's Word to destroy the lives and the faith in Jesus Christ and promoting dangerous, false, lying doctrines of creationism is among the best examples of this.</p>
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<p>Before all this took place I knew to ever begin with that the concept of dinosaurs living alongside humans thousands of years ago is entirely false and only exist in fantasy. When I first heard the claim on children's program on Family Life Radio which is a Christian radio station near where I live, I just simply said, "That's a lie!" and brushed it off. When I looked at a few creationist book on dinosaurs, I paid only attention to dinosaur art and overlook everything else. But things all changed in the summer of 1992 when Stefen my baby brother brought home 3 creationist books that belonged to some neighbor friends  from down the street that I've debunked in my previous articles on this blog,<em> The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible, Noah's Ark and the Lost World</em>, and <em>Dinosaurs Those Terrible Lizards</em>. After looking at the books, I told mom how I disagree with the books and explain to her that God created the dinosaurs and put them in a world of their own. Mom just simply said, "Oh." at first. But when we started to talk about it again, that's when she began to accuse me of rejecting the Truth (I was not rejecting the Truth, she is!). When I told her what I told her a short while back, she objected to it and as far as I can remember she started to making it as if what I long embraced since 1st grade was wrong and what creationists claimed in the book was right. And then she asked me, "Am I challenging you?" Sure she challenged me alright-- challenging me to have a strong desire for anger, rage, and vengeance. How dare she try to disgrace me and force me to comply with the creationists and all their lies against my will! :mad: Before all this, she was highly supportive of me and my way of embracing dinosaurs (she still is) and have gone to school to hear me lecture on dinosaurs to the whole class. I used to go and lecture on dinosaurs with great confidence. Nowadays, I have feelings of dread going to lecture on dinosaurs out of fear that a whole group of kids would get unruly (Believe me, one class room did got unruly at one time to the point where I has to ask, "Are you listening?" which is enough for them to straighten up and pay attention to what I'm teaching them) and rise up and tell me, "I'm a liar, Where you there?, God created everything, that's not what I've been told, God's Word it true," etc. This one little incident between me and mom that I never saw coming and never lasted more than 5 minutes have created a long, huge, lasting impression that I carried for almost 16 years and is now trying to come to terms with it before moving on with life.</p>
<p>What she really did was trying to make me see 2 different sides of the view and to "test the spirits" to see which one is the right point of view to embrace and which is not. But I misunderstood her. I took it as a threat, an attempt to force-feed creationism crap down my throat and convert me into creationism against my will all because of the way she said things to me that gave me the impression that she's trying convert me into accepting young earth horse crap and all its lies against my will. If she would've told me what she was trying to tell me in a different way to the point of having me completely understand what she was trying to say, I would've never been through what I've been through in the past 15 in a half years.</p>
<p>The truth is what the 3 books teach is not really points of view at all, but blatant lies in disguise as "points of view" and/or "opinions". Creationists would try to present two points of view and let the viewers decide on what to embrace. What they really promote is just a one-sided issue which they use to direct their audience to their side and their side only. They cloaked it as a two-sided issue and make the other side look bad and evil in their favor while making their own side look truthful and innocent like a newborn baby while uselessly trying to use the bible to explain things the bible is in fact entirely neutral on to begin with. They like to make science and evolution look bad and evil while creationism is bad and evil enough as it is. With nothing but false opinions, blatant lies, and emotionally charged propaganda, they direct the people to their own side and convert them to be one of them.</p>
<p>Because of that huge misunderstanding, albeit miscommunication, I was forced into the dungeons of creationism. Since then, I became engrossed with anger, defensiveness, babbling and fighting with myself on and on over the ordeal, fantasizing myself committing acts of murder on mom, Gary, Stefen, especially Ken Ham, Duane Gish, and anyone else who advocate creationism out of vengeance, and developed extreme sensitivity towards morality, social worldviews and the Christians' perspective towards them and became susceptible to Christian Fundamentalism, including being extremely sensible and susceptible to both the emotional melancholy-style music played by Greg Buchanan and to emotional preachings about life being too short, getting mad over freedom of religion being violated in public schools, getting mad over false remarks about evolution, being terrified over a windstorm in November of 1998, and above all being terrified of the Y2K crisis that never occurred being paraded about by the 700th Club. I've tried to call them and ask them to pray for me to get a harp, but the answer never came unlike what I've seen on the show.</p>
<p>I would get embroiled in anger and rage even when I was drawing dinosaurs, something I otherwise enjoy immensely and became extremely sensitive to moral and social issues in all sorts of media and developed a tendency to get stress headaches over news reports and stores of violent crime, murder, gang violence, domestic violence, students being denied practicing religious beliefs in school as a direct violation of the 1st amendment to the constitution, scenes of immorality in movies and TV shows, seeing and hearing of profanity in albums, books, Tv shows, and films (I am extremely sensible to profanity and exposure to private parts), and criminals grabbing the innocent and threating them with their guns pointed to their heads, criminals abusing, raping, and beating women (even the sounds of it), Christians suffering persecution, Christians being demonized in so many TV shows that parades anti-god message without shame and other things that I would otherwise never allow to bother me and pay no attention to.</p>
<p>Like so many Christians, I too went along and prayed to God that this nation will turned back to God and become a Christian Nation, assuming this is a wicked nation that's turning away from God. I even read from a book I believe to be entitled <em>This is America</em> by a some Christian Fundamentalist that it is claimed this nation started turning away from God when 1960s' decade began (and I believed it for awhile). That claim was even heard on Christian radio such as <em>The Adventures in Odyssey</em> radio show, the same program that claims that the Apostle Peter warns the reader in the Bible about evolution in 1 Peter 3 which I know for the fact that the claim is entirely false.</p>
<p>I suffered minor mental breakdowns when I began to carelessly handle dinosaur toys, books, drawings, and certain action figures like Mega Man and Voltron force member Pidge. When I see even a small flaw or a tiny speck, I would try to fix it with paint and colored permanent markers only to find them dissatisfactory, so I would make more changes to make them as satisfactory as I can make them only to get frustrated with them to the point where I would get so attached to them that I would try to fix them only to ruin the product and I would finally throw them all away after spending hours trying to clean up the markings that don't come off no matter how hard I tried, regretting ever handling them the way I handled them. Plus, every time I use permanent markers on my dinosaurs they always leave unwanted marks on other dinosaur toys that I would otherwise leave well enough alone when I piled them up in drawers and boxes assuming the permanent markers dry up on them quickly.</p>
<p>A few years before the creationism ordeal, I would cut off parts of the dinosaur toy to make it more accurate and closer to the real versions of the dinosaurs such as cut off sharp teeth in herbivorous dinosaurs, cut off extra fingers from T.rex toys, trim off some additional plastic, only to sometimes trim off features that I didn't want trimmed off, and cut off spikes, plates, and everything else that didn't really belong to the dinosaur. Now afterwards I do these things only to regret it when I find myself rendering my toy collection as crap worth throwing away. I also regret cutting and trimming the dinosaur toys before the ordeal began and want to start all over and take better care of the toys. I wanted to give them all away, but Gary and mom didn't want me to because they say if I give them away, I will only want them back. I objected to that because in my view all they want to do is to make me be a clutter queen like the rest of the family which I rather not be. At times I did had clutter in my room, so I had to give them all away to clean up my room and make my life much better and well organized. I had too much dinosaurs in my collection so I gave away most of my collection, including the ones with markers on them, and keep the best ones for myself. It took me awhile due to constant hindrance from Gary and mom, but eventually was able to tone down my dinosaur collection and got rid of the ones I don't want anymore so that now my collection is looking better than before.</p>
<p>Here's another true confession, I'm a sucker for dinosaur art. It doesn't matter if they're anatomically incorrect or not, I'm all for dinosaur art, especially the classic type. So when I was thrust into this creationism dungeon, I became deluded into going after dinosaur art as done by creationists (especially the not-so-accurate dinosaur artwork well drawn for Duane Gish's <em>Dinosaurs by Design</em>) along with their distortions of dinosaur hoaxes made to look deceivingly real which I bawled over when I tried to look at them again, yet I was able to maintain a sense of reality knowing the artwork and the photograph images is all nothing but wrong. I began to really be discern over how people drawn dinosaurs when I went and seen <em>Jurassic Park</em> and resented it the whole year of 1994 because of what I saw and heard in the film that I didn't approve of and how creationism have clouded my perspective of it being a fun sci-fi movie to watch. That remark of "God created the dinosaurs, God destroyed the dinosaurs..." is what really got me to say goodbye to Jurassic park and left the theater and bitterly resent going there for the next few years.</p>
<p>When I'm under stress and/or get tense thoughts, I would get so tense and stressed that I would rock back and forth, loudly hum, grit and/or grind my teeth, and shake my arms and hands. A lot of times, I would get so stressed and so much like a grouch that at times I would mostly take it out on my mom, for forcing me into this, along with my 2 brothers Gary and Stefen who used to mostly had the tendency to pick fights with me and hurl insulting names at me (which almost always leads to a quick response, "I am not a ["big fat cow, stupid fat cow, stupid, idiot, brat"]). Even before I was forced into this creationism crap, I often have sibling fights between me and my 2 brothers, with the 2 brothers being the ones who started it all (True Confession: It was I who started the sibling rivalry between me and Stefen when I started wiggling his ears the moment he came out of the hospital and got into the car. Hey! I couldn't help it! His ears all stick out! I wiggled ears of some other kids as well, only to get a backlash for my mom, Stefen, and Gary who also starts sibling rivalry fights possibly out of jealously, because of my mental challenging state, and just for kicks.)!</p>
<p>This is all before I come in contact with sites that reveal the dark side of Christianity which tells me that Christianity is not all about living good, righteous, godly lives in an dark and evil world.</p>
<p>Continued next post..</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Book Walkthrough - The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible (part 5)]]></title>
<link>http://chch81602.wordpress.com/2007/11/26/book-walkthrough-the-great-dinosaur-mystery-and-the-bible-part-5/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 04:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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Story 6:
Claim: Thousands of dragon stories and pictures can be found in ancient Chin]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-dragon5.html"><strong>Story 6:</strong></a></p>
<p><strong>Claim: </strong><em>Thousands of dragon stories and pictures can be found in ancient Chinese books and art. One interesting legend tells about a famous Chinese man named Yu. After the great world flood, Yu surveyed the land of China and divided it into sections. He "built channels to drain the water off to the sea" and helped make the land livable again. Many snakes and "dragons" were driven off from the marshlands when Yu created the new farmlands. Some old Chinese books even tell of a family that kept "dragons" and raised the babies. It is said that in those days, Chinese kings used "dragons" for pulling royal chariots on special occasions. Ancient Chinese books even tell of people using dragon's blood, fat, brains, and saliva for medicine.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> There is no <em>Acanthopholis</em> remains found in China. <em>Acanthopholis </em>was an English dinosaur that lived 100 million years ago during the Cretaceous Period in what is now the UK, not the fabled Chinese dinosaur/dragon as seen <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-dragon5.html">on this page</a>.</p>
<p>Taylor made up this myth on pages 42-43 by quote-mining a passage from a part of a large set of ancient Buddhist literature known as <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_classics">The Chinese Classics</a>,</em> written long ago by the followers of Confucius just after their master's death and translated to English by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Legge">James Legge</a> so many centuries later. Taylor deliberately left out the part that tells of 2 dragons that flown from the heavens down to earth and were tamed and gentled by a man named Liu lei who was taught by a family of dragon tamers and eventually became known as the Dragon Ruler and Feeder for Emperor Kung Jia who entrusted Liu with 4 dragons to take care of and give them water and meat for them to eat and drink. <em>Acanthopholis</em> was in fact a herbivore and never ate meat unlike the 4 dragons in the tale in which one of them sadly became sick and died. Liu, afraid to tell the emperor about the loss of one of his prize dragons, tried to hide what happened from the emperor by only showing off 2 dragons for the emperor to see until the emperor became suspicious of him and Liu had to flee with his family and live elsewhere to avoid being confronted by the emperor.</p>
<p>The dragons that pull the chariot of the Emperors such as Qi of the Xia dynasty, according to <em>Mythical Monsters</em> and The Chinese Classics, actually flew way up in the air pulling the Emperors in their chariots among the clouds and above the sea and are also said to have pulled the chariot for the gods as well. Except birds, no dinosaur ever flew.</p>
<p>The claim about Yu the Great, the First Emperor of the Hia dynasty mentioned in the Classic of the Mountains and Seas and his clearing of the swamps for farming; driving away dragons (possibly Chinese alligators) and snakes in the process, are also referenced in the <a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/mm/mm10.htm"><em>Mythical Monsters</em></a> as well. This, along with Chinese Classics, is where creationists got their ideas to fabricate dragon legends from other than the rest of ancient literature from other parts of the world.</p>
<p>The family where Liu Lei came from along with the Emperors may have kept Chinese alligators and/or crocodiles as pets, which has known to be called dragons at that time and were worshiped as gods by the people of China for many centuries. There were once saltwater crocodiles living in China's rivers, but they were exterminated by the Chinese around a thousand years ago. This must have been the inspiration behind the written accounts of 2 families who were known to raise dragons as pets as depicted in the Chinese Classic literature.</p>
<p>Some creationists fabricated the story more by claiming that Marco Polo reported in 1271 that Kublai Khan, the great Emperor of China, on occasions rode in a chariot pulled by dragons. The problem with the claim is that 1271 is the year Marco Polo, who was 17 year old at that time, was just starting off on his journey to see the great emperor in person for the very first time. The dragons Kublai Khan had were only carved, gilded images of dragons hanging all over the walls of the emperor's palace. Except birds, No live dinosaur were around during Kublai Kahn's time, nor in all other people's time, either.</p>
<p>Not one dragon in Chinese folklore ever resembled dinosaurs. Most, if not some, of Marco's writings were entirely all made up as an attempt to entertain the reader, which includes his sightings of dragons over there which are made up of Lindorms or Lindworms as illustrated <a href="http://chronicle.com/photos/v50/i10/5010b152.jpg">here</a> in his book <em>The Book of Marvels</em> and Wyverns that swallow elephants, and explains how the Chinese used methods to dragon proof their clothing. No way are they dinosaurs, nor do they look like them. Some people believed that what Marco have saw were actually just snakes, alligators, and crocodiles. The Chinese Dragon actually looked like <a href="http://lair2000.net/Chinese_Dragons_2_Download/2chdr47.jpg">this</a>. Some parts of his tales, however, were based on his actual adventures of what he saw over there in China and what he heard from the merchants coming from China, speaking of things in China that the Europeans have never heard of such as paper money, express mail, the art of foot-binding, and coal.</p>
<p>Finally, the Chinese actually used only fossilized bones and teeth of dinosaurs and other extinct animals. It seems highly unlikely did ancient Chinese apocatheries get the opportunity to use dragons' blood, saliva, fat, and brains like what it is said in Legge's Chinese literature to make medicine, unless they used those of the alligator's. Instead of just bones and teeth of dinosaurs and other extinct animals, The Chinese also used oyster shells, bear biles, tiger bones, seal penises and rhinoceros horns in making medicine to cure all sorts of ailments from headaches to the common cold. It is said that Confucius remarked, upon reading a recipe for roast dragon (alligators and crocodiles since their flesh is said taste a lot like chicken) that "one should first catch the dragon before one writes a recipe for it." Also, the Chinese are notorious for using "dragon" as a positive label for just about anything (like "dragon fruit," or referring to lobsters as "dragon shrimp").</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-dragon6.html"><strong>Story #7 (page 43)</strong></a></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>An Irish writer recorded an encounter with a large beast with "iron" on its tail which pointed backwards. Its head was shaped a little like a horse's. And it had thick legs with strong claws. These details match features of dinosaurs like the Kentrosaurus (KEN-tro-SOR-us) and Stegosaurus (STEG-oh-SOR-us). They had sharp-pointed spines on their tails, thick legs, strong claws and long skulls.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> The claim is all made up out of ignorance of the fact that the <a href="http://www.dragonorama.com/western/celtic.html">Irish or Celtic dragons</a>, which are in forms of winged snakes, usually have no legs, coiling arrow pointed tails, horns on their horse-like heads, deadly venom, and are mostly associated with water. These kinds of dragons became a part of Irish Mythology when Christianity began to be spread throughout the Irish nation and the dragon at that time was regarded as evil, satanic creatures that must be driven out, imprisoned, or destroyed. The most famous of Irish Missionaries is Saint Patrick who went about driving out all the snakes from the land and imprisoned the dragons all throughout the country. When St. Patrick died, <a href="http://www.blackdrago.com/famous_irish.htm#paiste">Saint Murrough O'Heaney</a> took over and manage to trick a certain dragon named Paiste into bounding himself with 3 rods that, by the Grace of God, coil around and bound the dragon real tight. Murrough then orders him to enter into the waters of Lough Foyle to wait for God's Judgment to fall on him. The dragon is said to still be living in Lough Foyle to this day.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-dragon7.html"><strong>Story #8 (Page 44)</strong></a></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>The respected Greek explorer Herodotus described small flying reptiles in ancient Egypt and Arabia. These animals sound amazingly like the small Ramphorhynchus (RAM-foe-RING-kus). They had the same snake-like body and bat-like wings. Many had been killed near the city of Buto (Arabia). He was shown a canyon with many piles of their back-bones and ribs. Herodotus said that these animals could sometimes be found in the spice groves. They were "small in size and of various colors." Large numbers would sometimes gather in the frankincense trees. When workers wanted to gather the trees' valuable juices, they would use smelly smoke to drive the flying reptiles away. The well-respected Greek, Aristotle, said that in his time it was common knowledge that creatures like this also existed in Ethiopia. Similar animals (three feet long) were also described in India by the geographer Strabo.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal: </strong>The "flying serpents" these 3 men saw were NOT Pterosaurs but Amphitheres, winged snakes with no limbs, colorful scales, and bat or bird-like wings. All pterosaurs, even <em>Ramphorhynchus</em>, <em>do not</em> have snake-like bodies. They have gorilla shaped bodies, instead and is completely covered with hair. Taylor also has left out the fact that Herodotus mistakenly confused details of growing black pepper, which, at the time, grew only on the islands of what are now Sumatra and Java, and are the homes of flying tree snakes and <em>Draco Volans</em> lizards, with the frankincense trees, which only grow in Arabia.</p>
<p>The winged serpents as told in mythology and folklore are all shown to be Amphitheres of various types. For example, in Egyptian mythology, there is a goddess by the name of Uadjet (aka Wadjyt, Wadjit, Uto, Udjo, Uatchet, Edjo, Buto), who serves as the guardian of pharaoh always ready to strike and kill his enemies who tries to hurt the ruler. She is sometimes portrayed as a cobra with bird wings and a crest on her head and is most often seen adorning the foreheads of the head dresses of pharaoh. You can bet that this winged cobra is an Amphitheres and not a pterosaur.</p>
<p>Paul also refrains from telling the reader how Herodotus explained how the Amphitheres reproduce. The female grabs the male by the neck with her mouth, making the male mate with her before the male dies. Eventually the female dies too, when her offspring devours their mothers' insides just to come out of her (Citations <a href="http://www.theoi.com/Thaumasios/OphiesPteretoi.html">here.</a>).</p>
<p>No Pterosaur has ever done this. In fact, no vertebrate known produces young which devour their mother from the insides out. Pterosaurs are all egg layers. Plus, the ribs and backbones found on the shores of the Nile most likely have came from either the carcasses of some dead snake, <em>draco volans</em>, Spinosaurid fossils from the Cretaceous period that were unearthed and placed into shrines by the Egyptians as told in Adrienne Mayor's <em>The First Fossil Hunters</em> pg. 135-136, or they are bones of modern animals that have been washed ashore out of the rocks every rainy season. So, no live Pterosaurs existed during Herodotus' day.</p>
<p>Nor were they around during Aristotle's day either. Like the Amphitheres of Egypt, the flying serpents of Ethiopia, supposedly seen by Aristotle, are described to have no limbs. Something Taylor have never bothered to mention. Pterosaurs have 4 limbs unlike the Amphitheres in the account. And like Herodotus, Aristotle mistakenly placed flying snakes in Ethopia, as opposed to Southeast Asia, where they are native to. Especially in Arabia and in India, where Strabo the Geographer also actually saw while exploring the country of India about 2,000 years ago. These accounts are all taken from the Mythical Monsters book as well.</p>
<p><strong>Story #9</strong></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>Flying reptiles were also reported in Europe in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. And an authority reported sighting a flying reptile near Mt. Pilatus, in Switzerland, as late as 1649. The folklore of the Sioux Indian tribe also tells the story of a flying reptile, named the "Thunderbird", that was seen falling from the sky after being struck by lightning. It has appeared in Indian tales ever since.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal: </strong>The first claim is false. The AD 793 account, where it says the people in an area were forewarned of what was horrible to come for them and were all terrified by signs in the air of immense sheets of light, whirlwinds and fiery dragons flying across the firmament, is nothing more than a direct fabrication of ancient sightings of shooting stars, comets, meteor showers, and other forms of lights sighted by the ancient people who regard them as "dragons" streaking across the sky (they had no idea what they really were), giving them a very bad omen of what's to come that could spell doom, destruction, and despair for the people who saw the lights in the sky and live in that area.</p>
<p>Back then, in many cases, it is believed that dragons were the ones responsible for creating storms -- something dinosaurs could never do. Nowhere does it say anything at all about the descriptions of dragons fitting dinosaurs because there's none found within there! Creationists have probably never looked at the book. If they did, then they would just take bits and pieces of it out of context, twist them around to fit their beliefs.</p>
<p>Reference: <a href="http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/legends/the_dragon.html">The Legends and Myths of Britain.</a> Note: It's under the title <em>Dragons as Evil Omens</em>.</p>
<p>The second claim is a direct fabrication of a Swiss folkloric tale, inspired by early sightings of dinosaur fossils discovered in a cave on Mt. Pilatus, that tells about a man named Winckelriedt who was kicked out of his village of Wilser for manslaughter and was told if he ever wanted to be brought back to the village, he must go and try to slay the dragon that was terrorizing the village for quite some time. So, to redeem himself, he went up the mountain to challenge a small, yet dangerous dragon known as The Dragonet (also known as The Wilser Dragon) whose fiery breath can incinerate anything nearby. Winckelriedt bravely dodge the flames and killed the dragon and returned to the village with a blood-stained sword as proof of his victory over the beast. But the blood of the dragon dripped all over the dragon slayer, killing him instantly - the dragon's blood is extremely deadly to the touch.</p>
<p align="center">Dragonet is certainly not a dinosaur.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><img src="http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/Crazyharp81602/10019029Dragon-from-the-Caves-of-Mo.jpg" alt="" /></p>
<p>And third, The Native American Thunderbird myth may have been derived not from live pterosaur sightings, but pterosaur fossils and early condor and <em>Teratornis</em> sightings.</p>
<p>According to a Native American legend told in a popular classic dinosaur book for children, 2 braves natives were out hunting when they come across a huge storm. Suddenly a large bolt of lightening struck. They believe to have seen an object in shape of a bird falling down to the ground. After traveling for days, they came across bony remains of what they believed to be a large monstrous bird that fell to the ground so hard that it embedded itself in the ground with sharp claws on its huge wings and feet and a sharp beak. What they saw was actually fossil remains of a <em>Pteranodon</em>. Along side of the remains, the braves also found what they believed to be "thunderstones." Thunderstones that are actually fossilized seashells that were found along side of the pterosaur fossil. No live pterosaurs here. This is one of the myths creationists fabricates to fit their beliefs. The results of the fabrication can be seen on Answers in Genesis' so-called ministry cards, the ones they hand out to hapless people roaming about.</p>
<p>Ancient sightings of the endangered California condor along with prehistoric sightings of <em>Teratornis</em>, a massive bird of the Pleistocene epoch made by early man in the past may also have inspired the Thunder bird folklore as well. To this day certain Native American Tribes continues to worship this bird as a god, which their ancestors have done for many centuries. According to the legend, the Thunderbird is a large majestic bird that has eyes that flash out lightening, huge feathery wings that sounded like rolling thunder when it flapped, and its cry was like a crack of lighting. In many Indian folklore the Thunderbird have been known to fight against killer whales and water monsters. YECs falsely assumed that this is a pterosaur, but there's one problem. Pterosaurs lacked feathers! Instead they have a hairy body and bat-like wings that is skin membranes supported by one elongated 4th finger on each side. Thus, the YECs' view of<br />
the Thunderbird is nothing but a fabricated lie.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-site1.html"><strong>Story #10 (Page 45a)</strong></a></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>There is some evidence that a few dinosaurs and great marine reptiles could still be alive, teetering on the edge of extinction. Scientists are still discovering unknown animals each year. Natives in a very remote jungle in Africa repeatedly told of seeing large animals a lot like the sauropod dinosaurs. The sauropods included the Apatosaurus, Brachiosaurus, Diplodocus and others like them. A group of natives claimed to have killed a small one in 1959. Scientists studied the reports and made trips into the deep jungle in hopes of finding a dinosaur still alive. None has been found so far.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mokele_Mbembe">Mokele-Mbembe</a> is the name of the creature that is described to be a swamp bound creature (which sauropods are not due to their narrow elephant like bodies and their elephantine feet that has no splayed toes on them.) with a large barrel shaped body, a long neck and tail, a small head with a large spike on its snout and a frill on the back of its head (Something sauropods completely lack), and is between the size of an elephant and a hippo with 3 clawed feet on each leg (sauropods have actually 5 toes with 1 claw on the front feet and 2 to 3 claws on the back feet.). It had been known to hate hippos and would kill any hippo that gets in its way as well as natives on a boat by sweeping them off with its tail. It is also said that the natives saw the creature and, at one time, have manage to kill one of them, but died after they have eaten its flesh.</p>
<p>However, according to one of the natives, when asked about the creature, he said that there's no such thing as Mokele-Mbembe. The creature is a spiritual being of Congo folklore. It does not exist. Yet, outsiders over the years have misunderstood the point and mistook the creature as a real physical animal and that the supposed eyewitnesses have fabricated stories of physically existing animals for financial gain. Over so many years, people have been searching for the creature, only to come back empty handed with no valid proofs of any kind that confirms the existence of the alleged sauropod creature and Lake Tele and its surroundings, where is said to be the home of the creature, is highly 4 feet shallow making it impossible for a sauropod hide in such shallow waters. Looking for the creature will be a total waste of time because the creature will not be there for real for it is an imaginary creature just like the unicorn.</p>
<p>Much of the pygmy population describes the Mokele as a rhinoceros, in which some cryptozoologists take it as a reference to large monsters that resembles ceratopsians called Emela-ntouka (meaning "killer of the elephants" in the native language), which is a ceratopsian-like creature known to battle elephants, kill natives, and is said to bear a long, ivory horn on its nose, long, sharp teeth, smooth skin, crocodile-like tail, and a neck frill. No ceratopsian ever had ivory horns. The horns of the ceratopsians are made entirely of <em>bone</em>, not ivory. The frill of the creature is not like the frills of the ceratopsians. Ceratopsians have bony frills while the creature is said to have a skin frill. Plus ceratopsians have rough scaly skins and in some cases a coat of porcupine like spines growing on their tails. And above of all, no ceratopsian remains has ever been found in Africa. If they and Mokele-Mbembe are still living in Africa, then we would have found traces of them along the Congo basin concerning their eggs, nesting grounds, feces, footprints, as well as fully intact bodies, valid observations and photographs, and their post-Mesozoic fossils. But none are found. Thus, the native is right! There is no such thing as those creatures. But that doesn't stop wishful thinkers like YECs from believing them to be real.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-site2.html"><strong>Story #11 (Page 45b)</strong></a></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>Great numbers of pterosaurs (TARE-oh-SORS) were killed in the Flood. These were sometimes large, but delicate, flying reptiles. Many of their fossils have been found. Are all the pterosaurs in the world dead today? Almost surely, but some people still hope. In Africa, a scientist once found evidence that a few might still be alive. Natives living in northern Zimbabwe described a strange flying animal which they called the "kongamato." It was not a bird but more like a reddish-colored lizard with bare, bat-like wings. The distance between its wing tips was four to seven feet. The scientist showed the natives pictures of various animals, both living and extinct. Each person interviewed said the Pterodactyl (TEH-ro-DAK-till) was most like the Kongamoto. These animals are supposed to live mainly in a huge, dense area called the Jiunda Swamp. Researchers have heard of animals like this in other places, too.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> The Kongamato ("Breaker of boats") in modern day Zimbabwe could possibly be a direct misidentification of large wading birds, like the Saddle-Billed Stork or giant fruit bats. Especially the hammer-headed fruit bat, the largest fruit bat in all of Africa. If you ask the natives of that area if they actually have seen living pterosaurs in that area, they'll say no. But they do see giant bats flying about especially the hammer-headed fruit bat. Pterosaurs have died out at the same time as the dinosaurs, 65 million years ago. None of them were killed in the alleged Flood. Plus, the so-called pterosaurs, in which they are claimed to be alleged surviving rhamphorhynchids, are described to have smooth bodies and 4 long fingers that supported their skin membranes while real pterosaurs, especially rhamphorhynchids, have only one long finger supporting their wings and hairy bodies. According to the fossil record rhamphorhynchids have died out at the end of the Jurassic Period. If Kongamoto is really a rhamphorhynchid pterosaur, then we would see any traces of their remains way above the Jurassic strata along with eggs, fully intact bodies, droppings, recordings of their sounds and observations of them as well as valid photographs and sightings being made of them. But none are found. One particular photograph was ruled as a hoax. There are no traces of their remains being found along side of man's remains in the post-Mesozoic strata, either. This claim is most likely nothing more than made-up fabrications greatly inspired by sightings of large unknown species of large wading birds and giant fruit bats. There are other claims of alleged modern pterosaur sightings that are out there. But just like all the rest, these stories are nothing more than hoaxes, misidentifications, and gross exaggerations. Still the YECs out of ignorance still continues to insist that the sightings of those so-called modern pterosaurs to be true and must be considered so while ignoring evidence pointing to the opposite.</p>
<p><strong>Fabrications of Medieval artifacts</strong></p>
<p>One YEC website, known as rae.org, there is a creationist who stupidly claims that there were alleged sightings of a live pterosaur called <em>Scaphognathus</em>, a Late Jurassic basal pterosaur (actual image <a href="http://leute.server.de/frankmuster/S/Scaphognathus1.jpg">here</a> and actual skeletal drawing <a href="http://www.freewebs.com/sdfiles3/JaimeHeaddenScaphognathus.jpg">here</a>), whom he believes to have survived into modern times just before the 17th century. The proofs made up on <a href="http://www.rae.org/egscphrv.html">this page</a> are not really proofs at all. Being willfully ignorant of the fact that pterosaurs, especially <em>Scaphognathus</em>, are only found within the Mesozoic strata and <em>nowhere</em> else, John Goertzen, who wrote the article, just took some old medieval and fake artifacts, maps, folklore, and hoaxes out of context, falsely brand the dragon images as the pterosaur, and twisted them to fit his narrow-minded beliefs.</p>
<p><strong>Ropen Hoax</strong></p>
<p>Another claim of an alleged pterosaur sighting is made in Africa where a team of explorers lead by John Whittcomb who are sponsered by Carl E. Baugh, a staunch creationist other creationists regard him as a kook, yet just like Baugh they are kooks themselves. These kooks claim to have alleged sightings made of an alleged modern pterosaur known to the natives as the Ropen, an alleged modern pterosaur that lived in the forests of Papua New Guinea. This creature is described as a rhamphorhynchid with, in some versions of the claim, Ptranodon-like features such as a crest and pelican-like pouch as claimed on their website. The website of this alleged sighting is located right <a href="http://www.laattorneyvideo.com/nonlegal/pterosaurs/what/">here</a>. However it is more likely nothing more than a publicity stunt and a hoax as well -- an obvious attempt to make a name for themselves as well as make money off of dredging up the Ropen hoax out of ignorance of complete lack of pterosaur remains above the Mesozoic strata.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-site3.html"><strong>Story #12 (Page 46)</strong></a></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>Like fish, some of the great reptiles of the sea could have lived through the Flood without being taken in to the Ark. Noah was told to protect land-dwelling animals and birds, not fish and other creatures that could survive in the floodwaters. An ancient Hebrew legend says that the only animals to survive the Flood, besides those on the Ark, were "the giant og, the monster reem and the fishes." The word "og" means gigantic and long necked--a good description of the big plesiosaurs (PLEE-see-o-SORS).</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> This is a direct fabrication of an old Hebrew Flood Legend, that is part of a 4 volume epic known as <em>The Legends of The Jews</em>, written and published by German Jewish Rabbi, Louis Ginzberg in 1909. As told <a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/loj/loj106.htm">here</a> and <a href="http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_text_jewslegends1d.htm#_ednTHE%20INMATES%20OF%20THE%20ARK">here</a>, The reem, said to be translated as a "wild ox", and the giant named Og, whose name only means "grand", who was really a giant human king that the Israelites slew in Numbers 21:32-35 years later after the flood, were both much too big to fit into the ark so Noah had to attach Reem to the ark with a strong rope so that the monster can swim and be fed to keep his strength up and the giant had to sit on the ark and hold on tight throughout the Flood after promising to be a slave to Noah and his descendants. Both has survived, Both are not plesiosaurs. YECs just fabricated the story to fit in with their own version of it even though they know all too well that Flood Chapter in The Legends of the Jews tale greatly contradicts "The Letter of the Law (Genesis 1-11, YECs own 'Bible'.)” involving the fate of those outside the ark “that breathe through their nostrils” (Genesis 7:21-23).</p>
<p><strong>Story #13</strong></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>The Navy ship U.S.S. Stein tangled with such a creature on its way to track submarines near South America. When its sonar equipment suddenly stopped working, the captain headed the ship back for repairs at the Long Beach Naval Dockyard. When the tough underwater sonar dome was examined in dry dock the crew found a big surprise. The rubber covering that protects the dome was torn and battered with dozens of big gouges. Hundreds of sharp, hollow teeth (or claws) were broken off in the covering. Some were longer than a inch. It looked as if some sea creature had been attracted to the underwater sound of the sonar and tried to bite it and break it. Naval Oceans Center made a decision. The animal "must have been extremely large and of species still unknown to science."</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> The only thing that would attack a submarine is a large shark since Plesiosaurs and other "sea monsters" have been long dead since the end of the Mesozoic era. No creature like this shark could leave behind such a sloppy bite leaving teeth or claws behind. It has no claws at all. Only teeth. That story YECs made up is a direct fabrication of stories of nuclear submarines being attacked by sharks. Especially when it comes to submarines being attacked by a cookie cutter shark. The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookie-cutter_shark">cookie cutter shark</a> is a very small shark that is known to attack big fish and other big objects that move underwater, including submarines.</p>
<p><strong>Story #14</strong></p>
<p>Speaking of sharks, In the older version of Paul's book also on page 46, there was a story about a Japanese fishing boat that caught a dead decaying body of a basking shark. Like some staunch creationists, Taylor grossly mistakens the carcass as a Plesiosaur. This claim, although it has been vigorously defended for over 20 years, is now being abandoned by many creationists. Only the most staunchiest, however, still defends the pseudo-plesiosaur claim. Nevertheless, I wish all of them would come to their senses about all of their idiot claims and abandon them, too. Especially the claims about dinosaurs living with man thousands of years ago and other preposterous claims.</p>
<p>(The newer version of GDM probably don't have that claim anymore, but then again...it might still have that myth.)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-site4.html"><strong>Story #15 (Page 48 )</strong></a></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>The "leviathan" the Bible talks about in Job 41 is described as the greatest creature in the sea. Unlike a crocodile or fish, it was useless to try to catch a leviathan with hooks, harpoons or anything else. "Nothing on earth is his equal--a creature without fear" (Job 41:33, NIV). What was a leviathan? The large size, strong jaws, great teeth, fast swimming ability and its protected back and underside all give clues. It could have been a Kronosaurus (KRON-oh-SOR-us) or something like it. This was one of the greatest, most overwhelming animals ever to swim the seas. It was not a true dinosaur, but it was reptile-like and had great, sharp teeth. It seems these animals were still alive at the time of King David. Psalm 104 says they played where the ships go to and fro. This was probably the Mediterranean Sea.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> Leviathan comes from the Hebrew word meaning, "twisted" or "one who coils". Kronosaurus and Mosasaurus never had a snake-like body at all. Taylor never mentioned that the creature has armor all over his body that glows and eluminate from many miles around, which no Mesozoic marine reptile has. He is ignorant of the fact that the creature has 7 heads according to one passage in Psalm 74:14 and also in Job 41 there is a passage about the creature being a fire breather, which Duane Gish has often said to mean that Leviathan is a fire-breathing dinosaur. Unfounded and false. No dinosaur ever breathed fire. Not even <em>Parasaurolophus. Kronosaurus</em> and <em>Mosasaurus</em> never breathed fire either. <em>Kronosaurus</em> lived 150 million years ago during the late Jurassic period and <em>Mosasaurus</em> lived 70 million years ago during the late Cretaceous Period, so no man has ever saw them both alive. Leviathan is in fact a creature of Jewish folklore in form of a serpentine fish that lives in the depths of the Mediterranean Sea. Unlike <em>Kronosaurus, Parasaurolophus</em>, and <em>Mosasaurus</em> who all died of natural causes millions of years ago, nothing can kill Leviathan except God who created the monster on Day 5 of Creation Week. God plans to kill Leviathan along with Behemoth and Ziz at the very end of the world and use their remains to benefit His kingdom and supply His people with a never ending smorgasborg of meat that even the Jewish people can eat because it's kosher.</p>
<p>The claim about David sighting <em>Kronosaurs</em> is nothing but a direct fabrication of Psalms 104:26, where it says, "ships sail where Leviathan frolics".... <em>Kronosaurus</em> actually had been long extinct for millions of years and no one has ever seen them alive. So the passage may have most likely been translated as "whales", not dinosaurs or <em>Kronosaurs.</em></p>
<p><strong>Story #16 (Page 49)</strong></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>It is interesting that many reports of "sea serpents" closely match the ancient pliosaurs and mosasaurs. They looked somewhat like huge lizards or crocodiles with flippers or webbed feet. Fossils show their backbones were very flexible. They could probably swim in a snake-like motion. A creature very much like these was reported during World War I by a German submarine. Captain Georg von Forstner described what happened: "On July 30, 1915, our U28 torpedoed the British steamer Iberian carrying a rich cargo in the North Atlantic. The steamer sank quickly, the bow sticking almost vertically into the air. When it had gone for about twenty-five seconds there was a violent explosion. A little later pieces of wreckage, and among them a gigantic sea animal (writhing and struggling wildly), was shot out of the water to a height of 60 to 100-feet. At that moment I had with me in the conning tower my officers of the watch, the chief engineer, the navigator, and the helmsman. Simultaneously we all drew one another's attention to this wonder of the seas...we were unable to identify it. We did not have time to take a photograph, for the animal sank out of sight after ten or fifteen seconds. It was about 60-feet long, was like a crocodile in shape and had four limbs with powerful webbed feet and a long tail tapering to a point."</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> The limbs of <em>Kronosaurus </em>and mosasaurs are flipper-like and bear absolutely no resemblance to frog's legs. They don't swim in a snake-like motion either. <em>Kronosaurus</em>, like other pliosaurs and plesiosaurs, swam in a unique "double-paddle" motion, while mosasaurs paddled with their flippers, using their tails to give themselves an added thrust when hunting. The tail tapering to a point may have been one of the squid's tentacles. Both Mosasaurs and Pliosaurs have only flippers and used them to propel them through the water like sea turtles or crocodiles. If they were still alive today, then they will be easily sighted because Pliosaurs and Mosasaurs are all air breathers and have lungs. From time to time they must come up to the surface of the water to breathe air. Problem is they're all extinct. They've been extinct for 65 million years, long before humans swam and sailed across the sea. So, the animal that has been blasted out of the water was probably either a giant squid, or an unknown species of shark or whale (Does this monster they blast out of the water have the word <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basilosaurus">"Zeuglodon"</a> written all over it?).</p>
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<p><strong>Story 2</strong></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>Scandinavian countries had about as many tales of dragons as anywhere in the world. One old legend describes a reptile-like animal that had a body about the size of a large cow. Its two back legs were long and strong. But its front legs were remarkably short. And its jaws were quite large. One of the unique things about many dinosaurs was their short front legs, compared to their long, strong back legs.2 Many also had large jaws. Examples of dinosaurs which fit are the Edmontosaurus. (ed-MONT-oh-SOR-us), and the Iguanodon (i-GWA-no-DON).</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> Iguanodon once lived in Europe, especially in what is now Scandinavia 100 million years ago, but Edmontosaurus lived in North America 65 Million Years ago, not in Europe, so the 2 dinosaurs never lived at the same time. The claim shown on page 39 as well as <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-dragon2b.html">here</a> is a direct fabrication of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindworm">Lindworms</a>, dragons of Scandinavia with 2 or no limbs. Their bodies are incredibly long and serpentine. Never do they resemble dinosaurs in any form. Lindworms are monstrous snakes. Coiling, hissing, poisonous, evil snakes that live either in the mountains or in the water. They were very dangerous and in many cases hard to kill. Like normal snakes, they occasionally shed their skin like this one told in a well known Scandinavian Legend called "King (or Prince) Lindworm".</p>
<p><span class="fullpost">A Lindworm in the tale was born alongside his twin human brother from a queen who sought help in having children from a wise old woman, who told her to eat 2 onions after their skins are peeled in order to have children. The queen took her advice and gathered up 2 onions to eat. But she in haste to have children, she ate the first onion without ever peeling it and it gave her a very bad taste. So she peeled the second onion and ate it. Then, she became pregnant and gave birth to twin boys. But the first son she bore was a hideous monstrous Lindworm who was so disgusting by his appearance that the queen threw him out and left him to fend for himself. Her second son, on the other hand, was born a normal human being and grew to be a handsome prince who met his brother years later while going out to find a beautiful woman to make into his wife. The Lindworm also wanted a woman for his bride and demands his brother to send to him all of the young women, doesn't matter what background, before him to chose which woman he will have for his bride. So all of the women of the kingdom was brought before the Lindworm to be inspected, but the Lindworm ate all the women who never fit the Lindworm's perception of what he wants out of her. One of the Lindworm's candidates is a woman who was the only daughter of a shepherd. She went to the same old woman the queen visited years ago and ask how can she escape her fate at the hands of the Lindworm. The old woman told her to not resist the Lindworm, but to give in and tell the Lindworm to shed his skin just as the Lindworm will order her to shed her clothes. She will not die, but be a very happy woman who will accept the LindWorm's hand in marriage. Taking the old woman's advice, she went and presented herself before the Lindworm who told her to take off her piece of clothing. She did, but then told the Lindworm to take off his piece of his skin. He did and the process went on about nine times before the last skin was shed to reveal a handsome prince whom she happily married afterwards.</span></p>
<p><strong>Story 3</strong></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>The city of Nerluc in France was renamed in honor of the killing of a "dragon" there. This animal was bigger than an ox and had long, sharp, pointed horns on its head. There were a number of different horned dinosaurs. The Triceratops (try-SER-ah-tops) is one example.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> The claim shown on page 40 as well as <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-dragon3.html">here</a> is a direct fabrication of the story of a fearsome monster named <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarasque">Tarasque</a>, who terrorized the people of Nerluc for many years. The dragon of Nurluc, whom the people killed in the story, was a female monster who was the child of the legendary serpent, Leviathan, and the Onachus, a hideous, buffalo-like she-monster that burned everything (apparently except for Leviathan and Tarasque) she touched. The monster whose description and her demise clearly states that she was <em>not</em> a Triceratops dinosaur. Tarasque is described to be a 6 legged sea monster with a turtle like shell, face like an old man, horse-like ears, tail of a scorpion, a fiery breath, and the ability to shed her skin once every 7 years. The monster is killed when St. Martha, who was spreading the Christian faith around the land, tamed the dragon with some holy water while singing hymns and making prayer offerings to God. Then, she lead the dragon to the town of Nerluc where the people ganged up on the dragon and killed her out of vengeance. Later on, feeling sorry over what happened after St. Martha rebuked them for this terrible deed, the people, who have converted themselves to Christianity because of her, have decided to rename their town, Tarascon, after the monster whom St. Martha has tamed. The town exists to this very day.</p>
<p>Triceratops was a three-horned dinosaur that lived only in North America 65 million years ago and nowhere else.</p>
<p><strong>Note:</strong> There is an Abelisaurid dinosaur named <em>Tarascosaurus</em> which is a large meat-eating dinosaur whose fossils were unearthed from France, the country where the story of the Tarasque came from.</p>
<p><strong>Story #4 (page 41a)</strong></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>A well-known, old science book, the Historia Animalium, claims that "dragons" were not extinct in the 1500's. But the animals were said to be extremely rare and relatively small by then.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> The dragons found in this so-called science book never looked like dinosaurs at all as you can see <a href="http://www.humi.mita.keio.ac.jp/treasures/nature/Gesner-web/snake/html/normal/l077.html">here</a> and <a href="http://www.humi.mita.keio.ac.jp/treasures/nature/Gesner-web/snake/html/normal/l093.html">here.</a> <em>Historia Animalium</em> (The History of Animals) is a 4 volume set written and published by Conrad Gessner (1516-1565), which all that it describes in it is winged dragons and how they are compared to flying snakes (Besides, the dragons illustrated in the book never looked like dinosaurs at all.). It also describes unicorns, basilisk, griffins, sea serpents, and other fantasy creatures which YECs never bother to mentioned. Using old, outdated medieval literature is highly inconsistent, worthless, and proves nothing when it comes to studying dinosaurs and science.</p>
<p><strong>Story #5 (page 41b)</strong></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>A scientist named Ulysses Aldrovandus carefully described a small "dragon" seen along a farm road in northern Italy. The date was May 13, 1572. The poor, rare creature was so little that the farmer killed it just by knocking it on the head with his walking stick. The animal had done nothing wrong but hiss at the farmer's oxen as they approached it on the road. The scientist obtained the dead body and made measurements and a drawing. He even had the animal mounted for a museum. It had a long neck, a very long tail and a fat body. The skeletons of a number of ancient reptile-like creatures have similarities to this basic description.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> This also seen <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-dragon4.html">here</a> is a hoax. As a matter of fact, much of his collections"mounted for a museum" were proven to be forgeries, including <a href="http://www.strangescience.net/stfor2.htm">the "poor, rare creature"</a> that was only made from what's left of a ray fish.  The image drawn by the scientist is found in an old outdated book that's now available online called <em>Mythical Monsters</em> by Charles Gould (see link <a href="http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/mm/">here</a>; also found in Gessner's book mentioned in Story #4 above). It gives out references to this account and shows the image of a dragon drawn by Aldrovandus that looked absolutely nothing at all like Tanystropheus. In fact, Taylor even got the supposed Tanystropheus image wrong in his book! A prime example of YECs taking ancient images of dragons and distort them to fit their beliefs. Unlike this Triassic reptile, the dragon in the picture looked more like a drake or a fat lindorm than the Archosaur. The dragon in the picture had a neck and head that resembles a snake, a curling tail, a pair of bat wings, a big fat belly, and only 2 short legs. Tanystropheus had a 10 foot long stiffen neck, 4 legs, a skinny body, and a tail that snaps off when attacked by a predator like a modern lizard of today. This lizard is ill equipped for both water life or land life. Yet, scientists are still trying to learn as much as they can about this special Triassic archosaur which probably spends its time on the ocean shores feeding on fish, ammonites, and other forms of sea life.</p>
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<p>Fabrications is the next segment Taylor displays in his book. Creationists like him are known to falsely and hypocritically accuse evolutionists of promoting fairy tales to people, claiming that "believing in evolution is like believing in fairy tales" as the radio program <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Bible_Hour">The Children's Bible Hour</a> (a young earth endorser) puts it (One of the purest example of this, of YECs claiming evolution to be “fairy tales for adults,” which the statement is nothing but a quote taken out of context, is found <a href="http://evolutionfairytale.com/">here.</a>), yet turn around and promote fairy tales of their own. One of the infamous fairy tales creationists tell is the fairy tale of dragons being dinosaurs people must have saw in ancient history. Since they have no valid evidence of people meeting up with dinosaurs in the fossil record, YECs instead would foolishly resort to legends, folklore, mythology (mainly all about dragons), elaborate hoaxes, and cryptozoology and cite them as evidence of people meeting up with dinosaurs rather than admit the truth about no humans living back then when dinosaurs walked the earth. Even if all those things were true, each and every fabrication and hoax creationists promote fails to explain why there are no dinosaur remains found above and below the Mesozoic strata and why are there no dinosaur remains found mixed humans, let alone fossilized remains of Permian reptiles, Early Cenozoic mammals, Devonian Trilobites, and modern animals.</p>
<p><strong>The Real Origin of the Dragons</strong></p>
<p>Dragons and Dinosaurs are only 2 separate groups, one real, the other fictional. The reason why creationists equate dinosaurs with dragons is obvious. Dragons were inspired by discoveries of fossil remains of dinosaurs made by ancient people who couldn’t make heads or tails of what they really were. So to help explain the bones, which they are definitely monstrous and scary in many aspects, people begin to invent stories about ancient monsters, giants, and dragons with serpentine bodies, bat or bird wings, <a href="http://www.threemonkeysonline.com/als/_gendered_dragons_st_george.html">woman's breasts</a>, impenetrable scales, one or multiple heads, dog-like ears, 4,2, or no limbs, and fiery, poisonous breaths. These stories persist until the 17 and 1800s’ when people begin to finally realize what they really were instead of being remains of dragons and giants of ancient folklore.</p>
<p>This gave creationists the reason to believe that these Mesozoic monsters were once called dragons before they were given the name “dinosaurs” in the mid 1800s’. So, to fit them into their dogma, creationists went forth and change, fabricate, and rewrite the dragon stories to portray them as living dinosaurs that were called “dragons” before they were hunted to extinction by man by the 1700s’, only to afterwords unearth their remains, rename them “dinosaurs,” and display them in natural history museums all over the world. Thus, dinosaurs and dragons are one and the same monsters people saw, fought, and killed in folkloric accounts….or so they reason.</p>
<p>There’s one major flaw to this logic. Dinosaur bones <em>weren’t</em> the only bones that have inspired people to invent the legend of the dragon. Live sightings of crocodiles, python snakes, and especially fossil remains of Ice Age mammals such as cave bears found inside caves up in the Carpathian Mountains were also thought to be winged dragons that once lived in caves way up in the mountains (<a href="http://laelaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/dinos-dragons/">Citations here</a>. NOTE: Scroll down to <strong>Dragons of Carpathian Caves</strong>) as well.  Also, there is another dragon legend that tells about <a href="http://amnh.org/exhibitions/mythiccreatures/dragons/history.php">a fearsome dragon</a> that once terrorized Klagenfurt, Austria until it was finally slain and beheaded. Its head was taken to a town hall where it was used as a trophy until it was discovered that the head of the dragon was in fact a skull of a woolly rhinoceros that was unearthed somewhere in the region long ago. That skull which inspired the legend was used as a role model for a dragon statue created to be a part of a fountain which stands in the city to this day.</p>
<p>Does this mean the bears and the rhinos of the Ice Age era should be called “dragons” before they were renamed as “cave bears” and “woolly rhinoceroses” in recent years and thus, dragons were really live cave bears and woolly rhinos people saw, fought, and killed long ago in mythology and folkloric legends? Of course not! That would be absurd. If there’s no sense in regarding bears and rhinos as dragons people saw, fought, and killed in legends, then there no sense in regarding dinosaurs the exact same way. Especially when dinosaurs, woolly mammoths, and cave bears never looked like <a href="http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/mythiccreatures/dragons/gallery.php?image=15&#38;p=&#38;a=#cap">this</a>, <a href="http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/mythiccreatures/dragons/gallery.php?image=19&#38;p=&#38;a=#cap">this</a>, and <a href="http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/mythiccreatures/dragons/gallery.php?image=16&#38;p=&#38;a=#cap">this</a>.</p>
<p><strong>The Evolution of the Dragon</strong></p>
<p>The "dragons" of supposedly ancient myth that creationists want to equate with dinosaurs are actually a rather modern creation (late middle ages) with a traceable development as popular myth. Dragons, like all folklore, evolved over time, only entering a relatively fixed form when stories began to be written down. Going back to ancient Greece, dragons are recorded by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliny_the_Elder">Pliny the Elder</a> in his <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?lookup=Plin.+Nat.+toc"><em>Natural History</em></a> <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0137&#38;query=toc:head%3D%23333">records dragons as very large snakes</a>. Indeed, the word dragon derives from a Greek epithet <em>drakon</em> meaning 'snake'. Over time, the image of dragons in myth changes. They adopt more lizard-like features, add bat-wings (which dinosaurs never had), develop first venomous bites, then the ability to spit or drool venom, then steaming venom, then fire. The shift in the image over time, only in later times becoming something which resembles a Hollywood caricature of dinosaurs, clearly reflects a myth, and its origin as snakes denies creationist claims that they record actual contact with dinosaurs.</p>
<p>Still creationists continues to promote this drivel and the best example of how creationists promote fairy tales as facts is found in Taylor's book, where on pages 36-49 and on <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-dragon1.html">this page,</a> too, Taylor gives out what he believes to be evidence of "post-Flood" dragons being actually dinosaurs people saw, fought, and killed. Yet a close examination will find then to be all nothing more than fabricated stories all made up to promote pure heresy.</p>
<p><strong>Image Distortions</strong></p>
<p>No dinosaur in fact ever resembled snakes and serpents in one form or another. But, YECs like Taylor in their ignorance doesn't buy it. In fact, much of his book, video, and website contains stories he claims to be "proofs" that dinosaurs and dragons are one and the same and man met up with them. And the first thing Paul shows in his book on page 36 is 3 images of scenes involving dragons shown above in comparison with 3 images of dinosaurs shown at the bottom in a attempt to convince the lay reader of how similar these monsters are in comparison. But not one of them match each other, even down to the finest detail. For example, one image shows a dragon from a famous paining depicting St. George killing a dragon. At the bottom of the image, there is an image depicting <em>Compsognathus</em>. Look at them closely in the book and you will find that there really are NO similarities between the two. <em>Compsognathus</em> in the picture has bipedal, fully erect stance. It never had a curly tail, a narrow forked tongue, nor did it had bat-like wings. Instead, <em>Compsognathus</em> have a straight stiffened tail and possibly a coat of feathers covering all over its body. This <em>Compsognathus</em> in the picture is a cheap rendition of Rod Ruth's <em>Compsognathus</em> illustration as seen in a well known classic dinosaur book, <em>The Album of the Dinosaurs. </em>As for the dragon in the painting, the dragon was cropped off from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rogier_van_der_Weyden_-_Saint_George_and_the_Dragon.jpg">this famous painting</a> made by Rogier van der Weyden to hide the fact that the dragon in the painting is shown to have only two limbs while <em>Compsognathus</em> actually has 4.<em><br />
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<p>The second image shows a head of a dragon or one of the heads of the chimera, a monster with a head of a lion, a body and head of a goat, and a tail of a snake in a distorted comparison with the image of a <em>Saurolophus</em>, which is a cheap knock off version of a Neeve Parker painting as seen in full view in John Mann's dinosaur classic <em>The Day of the Dinosaur</em>. <em>Saurolophus</em>, in the picture, is anatomically incorrect. as it lacked cheeks, lacked a duck-billed beak, and the hand arrangements on him are not right either. In fact, <em>Saurolophus</em> actually was a dinosaur with a 4 limbs, stiffened tail, cheeks, duck beak, hunched back, mitten fore hands for ground support, and a spike like crest that may have supported a sheet of skin that stretched from the neck all the way to the tail.</p>
<p>And finally, the third images shows a knight killing a dragon being compared to an image of a <em>Rutiodon</em>, a Late Triassic crocodile-like archosaur called a phytosaur, not a dinosaur. Unlike the dragon in the picture, <em>Rutiodon</em> had nostrils right near its forehead, not at the tips of its snout like modern crocodiles have. This is the way to distinguish phytosaurs from crocodiles for <em>Rutiodon</em> unlike modern crocodiles never saw a human being. But, crocodiles, snakes, and other reptiles along with sightings of fossilized remains of dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals, as mentioned before, may have been one of the factors that made up the stories of dragons and other mythical beasts of ancient times.</p>
<p><strong>How Fossils Inspired Mythology</strong></p>
<p>For one example, according to historical accounts, a team of explorers from Greece came upon a cave where inside of the cave they found what appears to be skulls of prehistoric elephants, like the Mastodon, for instance and they became terrified of them. Thinking that they came upon the tomb of a fearsome race of one-eyed giants living in the region, they raced out of the cave and began to spread stories about one-eyed giants called Cyclops that lived in caves and preyed on people. According to another account, a team of Asian explorers in a desert in Mongolia came across fossilized remains of <em>Protoceratops</em> they sworn them to be the bony remains of a half eagle, half lion monster known as the Griffin and began to spread stories about them saying that the griffin is known to guard a large horde of gold for the gods and defended them from thieves, even to the very death. Unlike <em>Protoceratops</em>, the Griffin has wings that enables it to fly. And the hole in the center forehead of the Mastodon what the explorers thought of them as the eye sockets of the giant is actually a opening for the Mastodon's trunk. These are a few examples of how mythology may have been inspired through sightings of fossilized remains of dinosaurs and other prehistoric animals long before the concept of science has ever been grasped.</p>
<p>As mentioned before, using dragon lore, as evidence that dinosaurs lived with man is not really evidence at all. Dragon stories all prove nothing and it is a very bad science to use these legends, myths, and fairy tales as an attempt to prove anything like what Paul tries to prove here.</p>
<p><strong>Paul's Fabricated Lies</strong></p>
<p><strong>Story 1</strong></p>
<p><strong>Claim:</strong> <em>One "dragon" story from the ancient land of Sumer in Babylon tells of the hero Gilgamesh. He decided to make a name for himself by traveling to a distant land to cut great cedar trees needed for his city. He reached the forest with fifty volunteers and discovered a huge reptile-like animal which ate trees and reeds. The story simply says that Gilgamesh killed it and cut off its head for a trophy.</em></p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal:</strong> According to the illustration found on page 37 as well as <a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/dinosaurs/j-dragon2.html">on this page</a>, we see Gilgamesh battling a <em>Brachiosaurus</em> like dinosaur. The illustration is not made right and the story is all fabrication. The dinosaur here is not drawn right because of two things: splayed toes and <em>Apatosaurus</em>-like body. These features are what <em>Brachiosaurus</em> never had and the story itself never said anything about a demon eating trees and reeds. In the full text non-fabricated version of the story, we find that what Gilgamesh actually slew was not a dinosaur but a <em>humanoid demon</em> named <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humbaba">Humbaba</a> with a face of a lion ("When he looks at someone, it is the look of death."). In other versions of the tale, however, his face is said to resemble "coiled entrails of men and beasts" or intestines. With a help of his friend, a half wild man named Eniki (or Enkidu), he killed the horrible demon-guardian of the forest by chopping off his head after he uses deception to capture him. Humbaba begs for mercy, but, Enkidu convinces Gilgamesh to slay and decapitate the demon. When the god Enlil, who was Humbaba's master and creator, discovers Humbaba's murder, he laid a curse on both his killers and sent each of the seven splendors (or auras) that once belong to the slain demonic ogre to the fields, the rivers, the lions, the palaces, the forests (or hills), the field of reeds, and finally to Nungal, the goddess of prisoners and captives.</p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal To An Old Roman Mosaic Claim</strong></p>
<p>There is a old Roman mosaic shown in the book on page 38 of what appears to be 2 horned headed sea dragons with their necks entwined with each other that's compared with an image of a <em>Tanystropheus</em> taken from <em>The Day of the Dinosaur</em>. Paul don't realize that <em>Tanystropheus</em> don't have neither horns on its head, or a flexible neck. The neck of <em>Tanystropheus</em> is very stiff and lacked horns on its head. Plus, the monsters in the mosaic have only 2 legs while <em>Tanystropheus</em> have only 4. The monsters it seems have a fish like tail while <em>Tanystropheus</em> only has a normal reptilian (albeit stub-like) tail. The creationists must have covered up the ends of the monsters so that no one will know the real truth behind them. Also, they have fish heads kind of forged at the shoulder areas of their bodies to make them, in a way, resemble a chimera type creature. Looking at them closely, those monsters' heads could closely resembled <em>Synthetoceras</em>, a prehistoric deer from the Miocene Epoch about 12-9 million years ago. Perhaps someone Roman explorer found the remains of this creature and made a picture of what the creature may have looked liked on the Mosaic. If so, then creationists like Paul must have distort the image on purpose.</p>
<p><strong>Rebuttal To A So-Called Dinosaur Drawing Claim</strong></p>
<p>The so-called Native American carving of an <em>Edmontosaurus</em> shown on page 39 is actually a scorpion with a severed arm. Otherwise, according to Adrienne Mayor's <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Fossil-Legends-First-Americans-Adrienne/dp/0691130493/sr=1-3/qid=1168457409/ref=sr_1_3/105-2399164-8298864?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books">Fossil legends and The First Americans</a></em> (pg. 337, 403), the rock carving is now likely a first attempt made by early fossil hunters to reconstruct<br />
fossil remains of plants and invertebrates found nearby the site. However, according to Institute for Biblical &#38; Scientific Studies (IBSS) February 2008 article, Dr. Stephen Meyer made better sense when he concludes that <a href="http://www.bibleandscience.com/science/petroglyphs.htm">the petroglyph actually depicts an eagle, a modern dinosaur</a>. Thus, what Hubbard discovered was indeed a dinosaur-- a modern dinosaur we call a bird.</p>
<p>In reality, <em>Edmontosaurus</em> never looked like what it is depicted in the picture next to the photograph, either. It looks more like another cheap art version of a Neeve Parker painting as shown in <em>The Day of the Dinosaur</em> than what <a href="http://www.wmnh.com/bhvdo01.jpg"> Edmontosaurus really does look like based on fossilized evidence</a>.</p>
<p>Speaking of evidence, Carl Sagan, (1934-1996) a famed scientist makes this following quote, "Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence." In other words, since there is no real true extraordinary evidence for everything Taylor promotes, then there is indeed no sense of ever accepting his dragon/dinosaur falsehood.</p>
<p><strong>Falsehood About Alexander The Great's Discovery</strong></p>
<p>Story possibly shown in the updated version of the book:</p>
<p>In the creationists' own reasoning, any large reptile is a dinosaur no matter what it looks like, never minding that the word "reptile" doesn't necessary mean "dinosaur." In the "updated" version of Paul's book, there is a claim that involves Alexander the Great and his army, who were invading India at one time, being shown to a cave where it contained large hissing serpents (reptiles) the Indians kept inside the cave to be worshiped as gods. According to the unfabricated version of the tale, Alexander the Great and his army only saw one serpentine dragon, blowing, hissing, and popping only its head out of the cave from time to time whenever an army passes by. The serpent is said to measure about 120 feet long and has huge eyes the size and shape of a Macedonian shield. No dinosaur eyes were ever that big, nor did they have serpentine bodies.</p>
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<link>http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/2007/09/05/there-go-the-dinosaurs-jack-chicks-latest-tripe/</link>
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I&#8217;ve just got word from PZ that Jack Chick, a staunch creationist, have just published anothe]]></description>
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<p>I've just got word from PZ that Jack Chick, a staunch creationist, have just published another tract worth scoffing over. This is Jack's Chick's newest tract entitled <em>There Go The Dinosaurs</em>. Here are some excerpts from it.</p>
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<p>Note: To see the rest of the tract, <a href="http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1038/1038_01.asp?wpc=1038_01.asp">click here</a>.</p>
<p>As you can see, much of what Chick wrote in his newest tract is all crank. Every page he made in this crank comic contains lots of stupid lies, including the vapor canopy fallacy, Hispanic, caveman, and school teacher stereotypes, and some cartoonish dinosaur caricatures in which one of then tries to hide from the human hunters in a thick cloud on a hilltop only to have her hind end exposed to the hunter's spear.</p>
<p>Just like in all of his tracts, Chick would promote the message of Jesus Christ to those who read his tracts, while giving out one stupid lie after another about dinosaurs, including his "theory" about how the dinosaurs really died.</p>
<p>The tract claims stupidly that the dinosaurs died out after the Flood because there's not enough oxygen in the air for them. The Flood destroyed most plants that gave out oxygen while taking in carbon dioxide and depleted much of the world of its oxygen. Thus, the dinosaurs couldn't breathe and suffocated. Never mind the fact that if the young earth is true, plants life would all have been destroyed not just most of them, leaving behind no surviving remnants to repopulate the world whatsoever. Never mind the fact that all life on earth would have been wiped out completely despite God's intentions to preserve them if what Chick claims in his tract was the case; all life on earth would have suffocated along with dinosaurs if there ever was too little and/or lack of oxygen in the world and no plants to replenish it. And finally, never mind the fossil record being completely void of modern animals, humans, and dinosaur remains mixed together. And quoting Genesis 1 will not make the notion of dinosaurs, modern animals, and man living side by side true, nor change the format of the fossil record, which shows the opposite of what Chick's tract claims, to what creationists want the fossil record to reveal. Besides Genesis 1:24-27 contradicts Genesis 2:19 when they say that the animals were created either before or after man was made. So the animals and man were not created at the same time. Plus just because they were created doesn't mean they can't change over time. Even creationists themselves admit and even teach that all life change over time through the process of evolution. Saying "they did not evolve, but were created" is not going to make the evolutionary process stop nor the evidence that life change over time go away.</p>
<p>The tract first shows a caravan of hunters hunting down a female sauropod dinosaur who tried to escape the hunters by hiding in a large, thick cloud on top of a hill. But her hind end is exposed and a moment later, she is killed. What's left of her is brought back to camp where a young boy asks his grandfather, "Why is it so hard to find dragons anymore?" The grandfather answers, "Who knows. You maybe eating the very last one."</p>
<p>The tract then shows the school teacher stereotype "preaching" to his students things about dinosaurs Chick claims to be only believed by those who reject God, never mind the most devoted of all Christians who happily embrace what the stereotype is "preaching" due to scores of true hardcore evidence for such a time. The tract then jumps to the young earther's view on the creation story where one panel portrays Satan as a dinosaurian crocodile on 2 legs (since when?) pushing Eve to give Adam the forbidden fruit to eat while a few other panels portrays Cain, Abel, and the other Bible Characters as cavemen stereotypes not like the caveman of Geico commercial fame.</p>
<p>The rest of the tract shows Noah and the ark, dinosaurs entering the ark, surviving the Flood, and leaving the ark to die from lack of air. The rest of the tract preaches the gospel message just like in all the tracts and claims, "All that talk about dinosaurs and comets is just a smokescreen to hide what really happened." in Chick's eyes no doubt while ignoring the real smokescreen put out by creationists to hide who they really are and what they really teach to the hapless crowd.</p>
<p>Chick is no different than other creationists who equates dinosaurs with dragons despite having anatomy completely different than each other. Dragons and Dinosaurs are only 2 separate groups, one real, the other fictional. The reason why creationists equate dinosaurs with dragons is obvious. Dragons were inspired by discoveries of fossil remains of dinosaurs made by ancient people who couldn't make heads or tails of what they really were. So to help explain the bones, which they are definitely monstrous and scary in many aspects, people begin to invent stories about ancient monsters, giants, and dragons with serpentine bodies, bat wings, and fiery poisonous breaths. These stories persist until the 17 and 1800s' when people begin to finally realize what they really were instead of being remains of dragons and giants of ancient folklore.</p>
<p>This gave creationists the reason to believe that these Mesozoic monsters were once called dragons before they were given the name "dinosaurs" in the mid 1800s'. So, to fit them into their dogma, creationists went forth and change, fabricate, and rewrite the dragon stories to portray them as living dinosaurs that were called "dragons" before they were hunted to extinction by man by the 1700s', only to afterwards unearth their remains,  rename them "dinosaurs," and display them in natural history museums all over the world. Thus, dinosaurs and dragons are one and the same monsters people saw, fought, and killed in folkloric accounts....or so they reason.</p>
<p>There's one major flaw to this logic. Dinosaur bones weren't the only bones that have inspired people to invent the legend of the dragon. Live sightings of crocodiles, python snakes, and especially fossil remains of Ice Age mammals such as cave bears found inside caves up in the Carpathian Mountains were also thought to be winged dragons that once lived in caves way up in the mountains (<a href="http://laelaps.wordpress.com/2007/05/25/dinos-dragons/">Citations here</a>. NOTE: Scroll down to <strong>Dragons of Carpathian Caves</strong>) as well.  Also, there is another dragon legend that tells about <a href="http://amnh.org/exhibitions/mythiccreatures/dragons/history.php">a fearsome dragon</a> that once terrorized Klagenfurt, Austria until it was finally slain and beheaded. Its head was taken to a town hall where it was used as a trophy until it was discovered that the head of the dragon was in fact a skull of a woolly rhinoceros that was unearthed somewhere in the region long ago. That skull which inspired the legend was used as a role model for a dragon statue created to be a part of a fountain that stands in the city to this day.</p>
<p>Does this mean the bears and the rhinos of the Ice Age era should be called "dragons" before they were renamed as "cave bears" and "woolly rhinoceroses" in recent years and thus, dragons were really live cave bears and woolly rhinos people saw, fought, and killed long ago in mythology and folkloric legends? Of course not! That would be absurd. If there's no sense in regarding bears and rhinos as dragons people saw, fought, and killed in legends, then there no sense in regarding dinosaurs the exact same way. Especially when dinosaurs, woolly mammoths, and cave bears never looked like <a href="http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/mythiccreatures/dragons/gallery.php?image=15&#38;p=&#38;a=#cap">this</a>, <a href="http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/mythiccreatures/dragons/gallery.php?image=19&#38;p=&#38;a=#cap">this</a>, and <a href="http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/mythiccreatures/dragons/gallery.php?image=16&#38;p=&#38;a=#cap">this</a>.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><strong>From my sister blog-- </strong>There is a brand new 2-floor section that has just opened at Ham’s Crackhouse not too long ago. Known as Dino Den, this section will contain a several dinosaur models that are  wrongly inaccurate and unrealistically made as if they’re 3D versions of amateur dinosaur drawings made for a dinosaur book for small children. In his own bogus blog, Ham, in his own sick, delusional mind claims,<em></em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>"Dinosaurs received their “independence” at the Creation Museum on July 4. Instead of being captured by evolutionists, they have been released to be able to have their 'freedom,' as explained in a biblical context—which is the correct way to explain their history."</em></p></blockquote>
<p>How are evolutionists capturing the dinosaurs, Ham? Or is it just another one of your stupid, empty-headed declarations of ignorance, denial, and distortions of biblical context that promotes no freedom and no correct ways of explaining history at all?</p>
<p><a href="http://greatdinosaurmystery.wordpress.com/2007/11/25/dino-den-the-worst-dinosaur-exhibit-ever/">More here. </a></p>
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<link>http://dinocreationistsfairytale.wordpress.com/2006/12/03/book-rebuttal-the-great-dinosaur-mystery-solved-part-1/</link>
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Dinosaurs are the most mysterious of all creatures. All that we have of them is their fossils they ]]></description>
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<p>Dinosaurs are the most mysterious of all creatures. All that we have of them is their fossils they left behind when they died out 65 million years ago. Even though, we know so much about dinosaurs, there is much, much more to them that we don't know about. Such as what color the dinosaurs were and what sounds did they made for instance.</p>
<p>Yet AiG's own Ken Ham, an absent-minded kook hellbent on brainwashing Christians into believing all his lies, thinks he can solve the mystery of the dinosaurs by resorting to stupid lies, falsehoods, hate, and slander. At one time, he helped John Morris create a book for little children called <i>What Really Happened to the Dinosaurs</i> (1990). Then he made up another pseudo-dinosaur book called <i>D is for Dinosaur: A Rhyme Book and More</i> (1991). Both are not dinosaur books, but propaganda books plastered with cartoon-style dinosaurs that take advantage of children's unrelenting love for dinosaurs and target young children, especially the preschool types who love and go ga-ga over dinosaurs. Then Ham made up this book for older teens and young adults called <i>The Great Dinosaur Mystery Solved!</i> (1998) which features illustrations made up by Dan Lietha, a comic strip artist who has also illustrated some of the dinosaurs images found in this book as well. His comics, found in the book, are all circulated in many young earth creationism sites on the web, including <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/">this one</a> for example. However, there are websites like this <a href="http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=66561&#38;page=1&#38;pp=25">one</a> that took many of Lietha's comics and make parodies of them to debunk the young earth clams that are made in the comics. Of course, those who did the parodies got into trouble with AiG for infringing on Lietha's copyrights. And yet, AiG, the one who threatened to sue IIDB forums for infringing on Lietha's copyright, <a href="http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2004/04/answers-in-neme.html">turns around and infringes on other people's copyrights themselves</a>. Hypocrites.</p>
<p>This book, as a matter of fact, is an unabridged version of Chapter 12 of Ham's second manifesto,<i> The [sic] Answers Book</i>. Just like <i>The Answers Book</i>, it contains the same old recycled falsehoods, distortions, hate-mongering statements, and idiotic claims with last sections reserved for more hate mongering rants, out of context quotes, and slander.</p>
<p><b>Cover Description</b></p>
<p>To start the rebuttal off, the front cover shows Lietha's concept of a Tyrannosaurus head being shown covering almost the entire book cover. On the back cover, there is one image depicting a stereotype, 2 photos of Buddy Davis's outdated models of dinosaurs, and some actual photo images of dinosaur and marine reptile skeletons taken from the Black Hills Institute in South Dakota. On top shows a book review that boasts that this is a dinosaur book like you never seen before. This is not a dinosaur book. But a propaganda book plastered with inaccurate portrayal of dinosaurs no different than <i>The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible</i>, <i>Dinosaurs by Design</i>, and <i>Dinosaurs and the Bible</i>. This book claims to teach people the true (word in bold capitalized letters.) history of the earth and its inhabitants that never was, thus leading your thinking to never be the same again.</p>
<p>Your thinking will be the same once you see through Ham's deception paraded in the book how it can only do much more harm to your mind and soul than good. It claims to have a wealth of information that really never amounts to anything. It claims it's made for people about 13 year old and older and a perfect book for your family library.</p>
<p>Actually, this is a perfect book to be thrown in the burn barrel along with your daily trash than to have it in your library. There is a paperback version of the book with a different cover on it with a silhouette of a running T.rex shown on the front that has black and white images found inside the pages as well as some additional myths and claims including the fabricated myth about the Archaeoraptor fossil that's really 2 dinosaurs forged into one by a Chinese farmer who dug them up, forge them into one fossil and sold them in a illegal fossil black market to Stephen Czerkes who later found out, through Paleontologist Xu Xing, that the fossil is nothing more than a chimera, 2 real fossils, Microraptor and Yanornis fossils forged into one. I've seen this version before in a Christian bookstore at one time. Yet, it's no different than the colorized version of it. They're both all the same.</p>
<p><b>Acknowledgments From Ham</b></p>
<p>Page 3 in the book contains a word of thanks to all those who helped with the book, which of course is made of of his cronies. One of them is his brother, a fundamentalist pastor who's no different than his brother when it comes to slamming science and evolution out of ignorance.</p>
<p><b>Ham's So-Called Appendixes</b></p>
<p>Page 6 shows the intro to the book telling the reader about what the book has in it and how it is divided up into Appendixes, A, which contains actual out-of-context quotes from real dinosaur literatures as well as quotes containing myths and empty creationism "theories" about dinosaurs coming from YEC literature and out-of-context Bible verses that are twisted and distorted to fit Ham's beliefs and B, which contains a list of literatures from various publications, all of them real dinosaur books Ham does a lot of quote mining from.</p>
<p>Ham, in the book, attempts to manipulate the reader by demonstrating "..that when one takes the <b>fabricated</b> events <b>made up</b> based on <b>our Bible distortions</b>, as well as the <b>fabricated doctrines</b> of Christianity <b>we made up</b> that's all centered around Genesis 1-11 <b>which we distort</b>, then the entire way of <b>ignorance</b> can be applied to <b>none of the areas</b> of the created universe." (my translating response in bold.)</p>
<p><b>No Such Time Line</b></p>
<p>Ham thinks that True Christianity starts with the time-line history as given in scripture. Problem is there is no such time-line found in the Bible as told by Ham and other creationists. Ham also thinks when one person understands this, the reader will find it easy to give out many answers to a variety of questions, including dinosaurs. It doesn't. There is no understanding and reasoning in the young earth dogma, Bible distortions and all, just lies, falsehoods, slander, and hate mongering. No honest answers, no logical reasoning, no valid evidence, nothing. Ham assumes that once the reader has read through this book and understands its approach, the reader will apply the same reasoning in other areas. The truth is there is nothing in young earth dogma to apply to in life. No reasoning or understanding at all. Just one denial and slanderous, hate mongering after another. The only answers the readers are encouraged to give out from this book is all false, dishonest answers that don't mean a thing. And why does Ham have to regard the Bible as in large capital letters "the history book of the universe?" The answer is discussed later. Page 7 tells about who else, but Ham himself. No big deal.</p>
<p><b>YE Hypocrisy</b></p>
<p>Next page 9 asks this following question, "What Happened to the Dinosaurs?" A meteorite killed them. That's what happened. But nope, Ham doesn't believe it. He instead resorts to stupidity and ignorance by stating that evolution and dinosaurs go hand and hand. So what? There's nothing wrong with that, thanks to great numbers of scientific evidence that's out there. Ham, however, would rather have his indoctrination and dinosaurs go hand and hand regardless of how these 2 subjects don't fit worth a darn hoot.</p>
<p>In every writings of his, Ham would make all sorts of hypocritical accusations such as what is made at the start of his idiot book,</p>
<p><i>"Dinosaurs are used more than almost anything else to indoctrinate children and adults in the idea of millions of years of earth history."</i></p>
<p>This statement all has the word "hypocrisy" written all over it because this is made by a man who does the exact same thing by littering his crackhouse with dinosaurs <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1969984226&#38;context=set-72157603091357751&#38;size=o">inside</a> and <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1969219539&#38;context=set-72157603091357751&#38;size=o">out</a> in hopes of luring children and gullible families to his crackhouse to get proselytized into embracing the idea of thousands of years of earth history. Every advertisement, every merchandise, every crackhouse promo features a dinosaur or two plastered all over them as bait to lure gullible people, including dinosaur-loving children, to his house of lies.</p>
<p>He knows all too well that dinosaurs sell and is highly aware of the fact that children are suckers for dinosaurs. Thus, enabling him to use this as his advantage and plastered every part of his crackhouse, merchandise, and promos with dinosaurs to lure people, especially children most of all, to his crackhouse so he can proselytize them into believing in such remarks as,</p>
<p><i>"However, the Bible gives us a framework for explaining dinosaurs in terms of thousands of years of history, including the mystery of when they lived and what happened to them."<br />
</i><br />
Which translates to,</p>
<p><i>"However, <b>what I say</b> gives us a framework for explaining dinosaurs in terms of thousands of years of history, including the mystery of when they lived and what happened to them."</i></p>
<p>The next segment claims that unlike evolutionists who accepts "millions of years,"</p>
<p><i>"There is no mystery surrounding dinosaurs if you accept the Bible's totally different account of dinosaur history."</i></p>
<p>Which translates to,</p>
<p><i>"There is no mystery surrounding dinosaurs if you accept <b>my</b> totally different account of dinosaur history."</i></p>
<p>The Bible is neutral on dinosaurs, evolution, and the age of the earth and he knows it. He simply refuses to admit it or else he loses his followers and their cash to reality. Instead, he falsely declares, as before, that the Bible can be used to explain dinosaurs in a concept of thousands of years and solve the mystery of when they lived and what happened to them. He deliberately states this out of pure ignorance of the bible having nothing to explain and nothing to solve about dinosaurs.</p>
<p><b>The Bible has absolutely nothing to solve and nothing to explain about dinosaurs, age of the Earth, evolution, and everything else of science. So,using the Bible to explain dinosaurs and solve mysteries of them is absolutely worthless.</b></p>
<p>Ham invokes Colossians 2:3 to justify his falsehoods which it says "in whom (Christ) are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." When put into full context, the verse actually refers to Paul encouraging the readers embrace the "full riches of complete understanding, in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely, Christ,.." who has in Him all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge in hopes of not being deceived by "fine-sounding arguments" coming from the likes of Gnosticism. It does not have anything to do with Ham and all his stupid lies.</p>
<p><b>No Mystery to Ham's Ignorance</b></p>
<p>Next Ham asked the question <i>"Are dinosaurs a mystery?"</i> Dinosaurs are a mystery regardless of whether one believes Ham's lie or the so-called "lies evolutionists tell." No one, not even the most ancient of people, has ever seen a live dinosaur (except birds). So, no one knows what were the dinosaurs really like when they were alive. No one knows how the dinosaurs behave, let alone what colors the dinosaurs were. No one knows what kinds of sound the dinosaurs made (I remembered the time when I used to look at an issue of <i>Creation Ex Nihlio</i> magazine and saw a small article that claims that <i>Tyrannosaurus Rex</i> never really made a sound like what it made in the movie <i>Jurassic Park</i>, but instead made a sound very similar to that of a growling tummy. Bothered and stressed over that one I was along with all other creationist claims made in the magazines, yet I still was able to figure out that the claim is so pathetically stupid and fraudulent. Especially when the claim is made out of ignorance of the fact that voice larynxs don't fossilize and the sound the T.rex made in the movie is all made up by a team of special effects artists who worked to make <i>Jurassic Park</i> into a real scary movie. Such lunacy!) and above all, no one knows for sure why did the dinosaurs died out.</p>
<p>Ham thinks the dinosaurs are only a mystery when it comes to the evolutionary "story." It makes no difference. Dinosaurs have been and always will be a mystery whether one believes Ham's story or not. He then gives out the normal version of dinosaur history and compares that with his false version of dinosaur history. Despite what he claims, there is nothing biblical about the earth being created 6,000 years ago at the time of the Egyptian Predynastic era and the construction of Stonehenge.</p>
<p>There also nothing biblical about the concept of the supposed evolutionary story being made up of millions of years of death, bloodshed, disease, and suffering. What creationists claim about the "story" is entirely false; it's entirely made up as an emotional plea to convince the gullible after watching to many prehistoric films depicting prehistoric monsters and cavemen constantly fighting and killing each other just for kicks.</p>
<p>There has been fossils of dinosaurs found with diseases, teeth marks, and other forms of injuries on them. That doesn't mean there was millions of years of unending wars, violence, death, bloodshed, disease, and suffering. In this section Ham simply claims that God created everything to reproduce after their own kind. But, did you know that when creationists like Ham claims that the supposed original creatures were created to reproduce after their own kind, they are actually advocating their own version of evolution? The very same thing they claim for it to be a lie is the very same thing they are advocating in their talks. What a bunch of hypocrites! Otherwise, what the creationists have in mind is for animals to behave like cloning machines, always reproducing monotonous carbon copy of themselves.</p>
<p><b>Human/Dinosaur Falsehood</b></p>
<p>There were no humans living at the time of the dinosaurs. But according to Ham's lying falsehood, dinosaurs were created the same day Adam and Eve were created, thus leading to the false conclusion that man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. This infamous claim is said out of sheer ignorance of the fact that there no evidence for dinosaur and human co-existence in all the fossil, historical, biblical, and archaeological records. This pose major problems associating with their dino-human claim, so to work around this, creationists like Ham use their imaginations and pretend that the reason why there are no dinosaurs and humans together in the fossil record is because they're not buried together - or so they assume.</p>
<p>That explanation does not really explain why are there no modern animals found alongside extinct animals such as <i>Dimetrodon, Trilobites, Eohippus (Hyracotherium)</i>, <i>Ornithosuchus</i>, and <i>Brontoscorpio</i> and why are there no modern forms of plants are found alongside extinct forms of plants and why are there certain types of extinct animals found each exclusively in a certain rock strata and none elsewhere. If all organisms living and extinct lived at the same time, like what Ham and the rest of the young earthers wants everyone to believe and accept, then the world would be a completely over-crowded place with no room to move around at all.</p>
<p>If young earth is true and dinosaurs (of non avian types) did lived with humans even in remote places of the world today, we would have seen evidence of dinosaurs roaming around in zoos as well as be seen in all valid ancient records of all types also as well as remains of dinosaurs found mixed with remains of all humans plants and animals of the past and present in all layers top to bottom. But none have been found.</p>
<p>4,500 years ago, Egypt underwent a special project of building one of most spectacular of ancient structures known as the Pyramids, one of the seven wonders of the ancient world. And all throughout that time, no accounts of having them using dinosaurs for their projects nor being force to call it quits when a wall of water comes their way has ever been found despite Ham assertions of Noah's flood occurring at that time.</p>
<p>If there was such a world after the flood, then we would find dinosaurs roaming the time of the Roman Empire and the War of the Roses. But none are found. What creationists use to promote false evidences of dinosaurs being dragons told in legends is out-of-context, fabricated medieval text and ancient art depicting humans and mythical monsters together which creationists distorted through image editing software. With these false evidences spread out in the book, Ham hopes to convince the reader that there is no mystery about dinosaurs. When it comes to Ham's dogma, there is indeed no mystery about dinosaurs-- just blatant, stupid lies and nothing else.</p>
<p><b>The Difference</b></p>
<p><i>"Why are the views so different?"</i> is the next question being asked on page 11. I'll answer that.  According to Skepticwiki, it's not that the creationists and the evolutionists are seeing the same thing, yet have different point of views about them, it's just that the evolutionists are looking at valid evidence to explain things while creationists are only looking at as <a href="http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/%22Looking_at_the_Same_Evidence%22">Skepticwiki</a> puts it, "..a bunch of silly lies that they read in some creationist pamphlet or website." Now that's definitely the difference between the 2 parties, one looks at hardcore evidence while the other looks at what they themselves made up from their heads while uselessly probing the Bible for explanations not in there for anything from dinosaurs to hurricanes.</p>
<p>Ham used this point of view tripe in his crackhouse through <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1969159929&#38;context=set-72157603091357751&#38;size=o">a racial display</a> set up to make the visitors have an impression that the white holy man stereotype, worthlessly using the Bible to explain a dinosaur fossil being unearthed that's erroneously said to be dated 300 million years ago, along with the black man stereotype who is just looking at the fossil not caring about what the old testament stereotype is claiming to say, are both looking at the fossil yet each carry a different point of view about it. The real difference is that the creationists are not actually looking at the fossil at all because they knew that if they look at an actual fossil in all the details, they will clearly find something that will deliberately shaken, even destroy their beliefs. So they try to be careful in focus only on what they, especially Henry Morris, made up from their heads while shunning the actual evidence pointing to the exact opposite.</p>
<p>Ham thinks scientists have only fossils to help explain dinosaurs. True, but what Ham assumes the question scientists are asking each other about and what scientists are really asking about the fossils is two different things. Unlike Ham's assertions, paleontologists, in reality, make fossil discoveries and uncover fossil evidence while either going on expeditions to certain areas or engaging in laboratory study. The discoveries made by the scientists cause them to ask questions about what they have discovered. Then, they begin to sought answers to questions made based on what they have discovered and come up with logical theories to help explain things based on evidence they found.</p>
<p>Ham and others, on the other hand, just make up lies, try to find evidence for them, find none so they make more lies up as they go. That's is the real difference between the deluded creationists and real scientists. Ham says that no scientist has ever lived through all of earth's history. Neither has Ham and the other creationists themselves. What difference does it make?</p>
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<p><b></b>This book is pretty well known....sort of. Some libraries have this book. But, I say this book should be among the section of the library label "Fiction" for this is exactly what this book is classified as - Biblical Fiction, just like <i>The Prince of Egypt, The Robe, </i>and<i> Ben Hur</i>.</p>
<p><b></b>Paul Taylor is possibly one of the first few creationists to actively spread lies about dinosaurs by inventing tall tales and hoaxes, fabricating, rewriting, and twisting Biblical, historical, archaeological, mythological, and folkloric stories and texts, and distorting photos and ancient art to fit their own agenda. He created this series which he promotes in hopes to getting rich and powerful off of giving people what they want to hear instead of giving them the truth about dinosaurs based on valid, factual evidence. Every time creationists say "The Bible is true." it always translates to "<b>My</b> 