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<title><![CDATA[WORD FAITH MOVEMENT: A Call for Discernment VIDEO - JustinPeters.org Pt 1]]></title>
<link>http://how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com/?p=609</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[This Seminar video by Justin Peters @ http://www.justinpeters.org/ is the best video I have seen on ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This Seminar video by Justin Peters @ <a href="http://www.justinpeters.org/">http://www.justinpeters.org/</a> is the best video I have seen on the Word of Faith movement. Since the seminar is available on you tube. I will be doing a series on the Word Faith Movement. Each one with a video clip from Justin’s seminar. This first POST just gives an introduction and outline to the seminar. I hope you will visit his site and consider buying the whole CD set to show your friends and family, or will consider asking your church about having Justin and his seminar at your church. I am going to buy the series and just may send it to a family member who is a word faith preacher. I only wish that those in the word faith movement would see that the WoF teachings are occultic and not from God. Damon Whitsell</p>
<p>A 30 minute DEMO video of the seminar is @ justins site here <a href="http://www.justinpeters.org/demo.htm">http://www.justinpeters.org/demo.htm</a> </p>
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<p><strong>A Biblical Critique of the Word of Faith Movement (more commonly known as the Health and Wealth or Prosperity Gospel)</strong> <a href="http://www.justinpeters.org/">http://www.justinpeters.org/</a></p>
<p>“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.” (Romans 16:17-18)</p>
<p>In addition to expository preaching, another aspect of Justin's ministry is the three session seminar which he has developed entitled A Call for Discernment. This seminar is a fair, comprehensive, biblical critique of the modern Word of Faith movement. Word of Faith theology (WoF) dominates Christian satellite and cable television and is making alarming inroads into our Baptist churches. This seminar contains dozens of audio and video clips (primarily the latter) of various WoF leaders such as Benny Hinn, Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, Jessie Duplantis, Creflo Dollar, etc. incorporated into a PowerPoint format. This format allows people to see and hear for themselves what these individuals are actually teaching. Everything then is, in turn, balanced with Scripture.</p>
<p>Each session is approximately 70 to 75 minutes in length. A Call for Discernment can be structured and scheduled according to the desires of the pastor or conference organizer.</p>
<p>Session 1: Dangerous Doctrines<br />
Metaphysical Cultic Origins<br />
Phineas P. Quimby<br />
Essek W. Kenyon<br />
William Branham<br />
Kenneth Hagin Sr.<br />
Doctrines of the WoF Movement<br />
Positive Confession<br />
Substance of Faith<br />
Little gods Doctrine<br />
the Fall<br />
Jesus Christ<br />
Just a Man?<br />
Spiritual Death of Jesus (SDJ)<br />
Sin Becomes Him<br />
“But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies..”<br />
~ 2 Peter 2:1</p>
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Session 2: Mangled Manifestations<br />
Abuse of Tongues<br />
Spectacular Claims<br />
Heavenly Encounters<br />
Bizarre Behavior<br />
Slaying in the Spirit<br />
Divine Revelation Knowledge<br />
Occultic / Demonic<br />
False Prophecies<br />
“…that in us you might learn not to exceed what is written…”<br />
~ 1 Corinthians 4:6</p>
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Session 3: The Hurt of Healing<br />
Things to Consider<br />
Healing:<br />
Is It Always God’s Will?<br />
Healing in the Atonement?<br />
The Biblical Record<br />
Requirements for Healing:<br />
Sense of expectation<br />
Money<br />
“Right Heart” and Perseverance<br />
Why are They Sick?<br />
Hindrances to Healing:<br />
Lack of Faith<br />
Not Saved</p>
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Conclusion<br />
“My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.”<br />
~ 2 Corinthians 12:9</p>
<p><strong>A PERSONAL NOTE ABOUT A CALL FOR DISCERNMENT</strong></p>
<p>A Call for Discernment is not intended as a personal attack on anyone, it is simply, as the name implies, a call to the church for discernment. It would be easy to make the assumption that this is an anti-charismatic seminar. Such is not the case. When it comes to the fundamental tenets of orthodox Christianity, charismatics are in agreement with me as a Southern Baptist. I am not charismatic, but neither am I anti-charismatic. The Word of Faith Movement, however, does at times denigrate and even deny some of the fundamental, non-negotiable truths of the Christian Faith (as documented in the seminar, especially in Sessions 1 and 2). It may be said that all Word of Faith adherents are charismatic, but not all charismatics are Word of Faith. I have had a number of charismatic pastors to attend my seminars and, to a man, they have found little, if any, with which they would disagree.</p>
<p>When it comes to minor, peripheral issues of the faith, we as believers in the Lord Jesus may have differences of opinion and still call one another brother and sister in Christ. When it comes to the fundamentals, however, we must all unite in stalwart defense.</p>
<p>I have presented A Call for Discernment in eighteen states thus far to churches of widely varying sizes. Regardless of the size of the church there are always people who will approach me telling me how either they themselves or one of their loved ones has been adversely affected by this movement. It is making alarming inroads even to our Baptist churches. One mother whose son has Muscular Dystrophy recently told me, ‘Justin, ever since my son was diagnosed with M.D., I have blamed myself for his condition because I have been told that if I just had enough faith or if I loved him enough that he would be healed. Now for the first time I realize that his illness is not my fault.’ It is for ladies like her and millions of others that I take the stand that I do.</p>
<p>Not everything that the Word of Faith teachers teach is wrong. Some of it is right. Therein, however, lies the seduction. It is a craftily packaged counterfeit gospel made to look like the real thing. A Call for Discernment is being used by God to bring clarity and understanding to a complicated and confusing issue.<br />
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<p><strong>Justin’s Credentials</strong></p>
<p>Throughout his years as a student at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas, Justin studied at great depth the Word of Faith movement. The thesis he wrote for his Master’s of Theology (Th.M.) degree is entitled An Examination and Critique of the Life, Ministry and Theology of Healing evangelist Benny Hinn.<br />
In addition to his academic research, Justin also has attended numerous Benny Hinn crusades and has been witness first hand to the harm, both physical and spiritual, that the Word of Faith movement inflicts upon so many. As a teenager, Justin himself attended faith-healing services in hopes of being delivered from his Cerebral Palsy. Though the potential was there to shake his faith in the Lord, in the long run, these experiences had the opposite effect. Says Justin:</p>
<p>Some have made the charge against me that I am just bitter about not being healed. I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. Next to my salvation, my Cerebral Palsy is one of the greatest gifts (an imperfect word to be sure) God has ever allowed me to have. He has used it to keep me dependent upon Him and through it has shown me His “sufficient grace” and “strength made perfect in weakness.” (2 Cor. 12:9)</p>
<p>In 2004, Justin was featured as an expert witness for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation’s documentary on Benny Hinn entitled Do You Believe In Miracles<br />
In 2006 Justin was interviewed for the documentary entitled Suffer the Children produced by Trevor Glass. This documentary shows the profound harm, both physical and spiritual, that the Prosperity gospel inflicts upon so many.<br />
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<p>Endorsement:</p>
<p>"The dangers of the Word of Faith Movement are as real as they are pervasive. The message from thousands of pulpits is that God wants you to be happy, healthy, and rich. But this is not biblical Christianity, as Justin Peters so adequately demonstrates in his exceptional presentation. With clarity and credibility, Peters exposes the Word of Faith Movement for what it really is—a farce. Local churches will benefit greatly from his personal experience and vast research on this important topic."</p>
<p>Dr. John MacArthur<br />
Pastor, Grace Community Church<br />
Sun Valley, CA</p>
<p><a href="http://www.justinpeters.org/">http://www.justinpeters.org/</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Origins And Danger Of The Rapture Doctrine]]></title>
<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/?p=3869</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 14:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Job</dc:creator>
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<title><![CDATA[Kenneth Copelands Heresies]]></title>
<link>http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/?p=233</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Phil Naessens</dc:creator>
<guid>http://phillyflash.wordpress.com/2008/10/07/kenneth-copelands-heresies/</guid>
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Have a look at this great video and then tell me how many heresies Copeland is spitting out&#8230;.]]></description>
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<p>Have a look at this great video and then tell me how many heresies Copeland is spitting out.....utterly disgusting.....</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Signs That You Just Might Be a Stiff-Neck (Greedy Prosperity Preacher)]]></title>
<link>http://hermansmith.wordpress.com/?p=336</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 11:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>C. KingHisglory</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[From Jeff Foxworthyofspoilingvines:
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><span style="color:#993300;">From Jeff Foxworthyofspoilingvines:</span></p>
<p><span style="color:#003366;"><strong>You just might be a stiff-necked prosperity preacher if:</strong></span></p>
<p>-You tell your plastic surgeon to put each of your facelift stitches in like the shape of a cross.</p>
<p>-You think the word <em>souls</em> is spelled <strong>s-o-w</strong>-l-s.</p>
<p>-Your walk-in closet is bigger than Jessica Simpson's.</p>
<p>-You think those <span style="color:#bea316;"><strong><span style="color:#e0b300;">golden</span></strong> </span><span style="color:#000000;">tracks </span>on your Calvin Klein underwear are from the <span style="color:#ffcc00;"><span style="color:#d6ab00;"><strong>gold</strong></span> </span>dust that "miraculously" fell in your last five meetings.</p>
<p>-Ex-members of your church have nicknamed you <em>Lance Armstrong</em> because you <span style="color:#800080;">peddle </span>the Word so brilliantly.</p>
<p>-Ex-members of your church have nicknamed you <em>Martha Stewart</em> because you handle the Word so <span style="color:#008000;">craftily.</span></p>
<p>-It took you only six months and $399.99 to get your doctorate in ministry degree.</p>
<p>-Your prophetically gifted barber got swept away by the Spirit and you ended up with an almost completely bald head, save one large patch that was buzz cut into the shape of an iron (1 Timothy 4:1,2). Thank God for perukes.</p>
<p>-You travel to Thailand regularly to pick up your ministry's miracle handkerchief supplies (you sell them for $100 each at your revival meetings): your staff laughingly calls this your "hanky panky and hanky banky" <span style="color:#993300;"><span>mission</span> </span>trips.</p>
<p>-You've been simultaneously featured in <em>Charisma Magazine</em> and debunked in its editors' online posts at least once.</p>
<p>-You have paper cuts all over your hands from personally counting all your offerings.</p>
<p>-You think God's <span style="color:#000080;"><span style="color:#004747;"><span style="color:#003366;">stern</span>ness</span> </span>has something to do with sailing.</p>
<p>-A prophet walked up to you lately after one of your gold, diamond, and gem dust meetings, handed you a bottle of shampoo labeled <em>Holy Head and Shoulders</em>, and commanded you to repent.</p>
<p>-Instead of preaching "Jesus is to die for" you preach "Jesus is to tithe for."</p>
<p>-Whenever your assistant pastor calls you on your mobile, you spontaneously answer <span style="color:#e05900;">"Yes, man"</span> instead of "Hello."</p>
<p>-You've convinced all your tax lawyers and IRS investigators to sow regularly into your ministry.</p>
<p>-The last time you read the Bible gas prices were <span style="color:#d600d6;"><strong>$1.38</strong> </span>a gallon.</p>
<p>-You regularly <span style="color:#333300;">prey</span> three times daily: at the beginning of your morning, afternoon, and evening revival meetings, right after the worship and announcements and right before the preaching.</p>
<p>-The contentedly ignorant-of-the-Word sheep you pastor definitely put the "wool" in the word <em>woolf.</em></p>
<p>-You still don't understand the prophetic significance of the name <em><strong><span style="color:#007500;">Grassley </span></strong></em>(Psalm 23:2).</p>
<p>-After eating breakfast at IHOP, instead of leaving the waitress a real tip you leave an autographed <span style="color:#f10d1f;">headshot </span>of yourself: it reads "Here's a tip for you, you poor gal you: You batter come to the <em>International House of Prosperity</em>, my church, Sunday and taste of my <em><span style="color:#00a3a3;">harvest 'n gain </span></em>cakes. Amen, come hungry and leave wealthy! Love, Evangelist Apostle Senior Pastor Doctor Wolfgang N. Yurmidz."</p>
<p>-As your non-profit private jet flies to the Maldives for your<span style="color:#616100;"> London to Berlin </span>R&#38;R layover, your private pilot suffers a stroke and you can't heal him or pull him out of the cockpit seat. As the plane plummets you scream, "Where's my golden parachute!"</p>
<p>-MTV has offered you a $5 million dollar contract to star in your very own reality show entitled "Beverly HolyBillies."</p>
<p>-You wrote and are currently shopping a bibliographical screenplay about your holy rise to Christian stardom.</p>
<p>-The personalized license plate on your Mercedes reads <span style="color:#610061;">"RevDrPastorNtitled."</span></p>
<p>-When asked for your thoughts on the Todd BentleyLakeland debacle, you respond with a shrug and "That's showbizness for ya."</p>
<p>-One of your daily 100 confessions is either "I will be a member of the ICA soon" or "I will be a <em><span style="color:#007070;"><strong>chief</strong></span> </em>member of the ICA soon."</p>
<p>-After you finish preaching at your <span style="color:#3e4641;"><strong>"Deliverance From the Spirit of Poverty"</strong></span> Angolan stadium crusade (which cost each of the 475,000 impoverished attendees only $5 to get into), those attendees start to pray "me use God" instead of "God, use me." You laugh about it and think the poor African souls just have their English confused instead of realizing you've missed the mark horribly, grievously, and very wickedly.</p>
<p>-You have missionary friends and followers in the field who live in offering-subsidized 17-room mansions while the thirteen street kids they minister to still sleep on the street.</p>
<p>-After dropping $300 down on dinner for you and your wife, you hop into your limo, head toward the revival you'll be preaching at that night, slap your full belly, and contentedly turn to your wife and remark, "With ministry partners, all things are possible, honey." She looks down at her <em>Tiffany &#38; Co.</em> catalogue and responds smiling, "Amen. And with tonight's meeting, this <span style="color:#0000ff;">$49,998 </span>diamond bracelet will be possible, dear."</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Did The Pentecostal Prosperity Doctrine And TBN Cause The Financial Crisis?]]></title>
<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/?p=3824</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Job</dc:creator>
<guid>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/did-the-pentecostal-prosperity-doctrine-and-tbn-cause-the-financial-crisis-sarah-palin/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Foreward: please note that the Bible DOES NOT PROMOTE reckless financial behavior, but quite the con]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreward: please note that the Bible DOES NOT PROMOTE reckless financial behavior, but quite the contrary promotes hard work, frugality, and conscientiousness. Contrast the ostentatious wealth of King Solomon - who left God for syncretism - with Jesus Christ, who was born in a manger and lived the life of a pauper. And as for you prosperity preacher adherents, well, you wanted to be world changers, right? To take authority and dominion? Well, it looks like you did it. Your doctrines helped cause the international banking crisis that just may set the stage for the anti - Christ to come to power. By the way, sorry for picking on Palin, because TONS of black prosperity doctrine preachers have gotten behind Obama as well. You know, it makes for the perfect conspiracy theory.</p>
<p>All of these Council on Foreign Relations - backed preachers get on TV - especially if they own networks like TBN - or dominate the book publishing market (Left Behind) or even get mainstream publicity (like TD Jakes on the cover of <strong>Time Magazine</strong> - which ironically published this article ) which exploit the poor with false promises of wealth. Then have the same Council on Foreign Relations - connected politicians (Bush Sr., Bush Jr., Clinton, Gingrich at minimum) change the banking laws, requiring/forcing banks to lend to these people. And when the inevitable economic collapse occurs (which by the way was just the result of terrible economic policy dating back to at least Reagan ... remember how the Democrats AND Republicans exhorted you to go buy an SUV and invest your retirement accounts in Pets.com in the 1990s ... and that speaks nothing of deficit spending and free trade deals with third world countries where people will gladly work for $5 a day) then use it as an excuse to practically nationalize the banking sector and promote economic globalism. If this WASN'T a conspiracy, it certainly played out like one. In any event, now you see how massively evil false doctrines are, and the prosperity doctrine is both false and evil.</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1847053,00.html?cnn=yes" target="_blank">Foreclosures: Did God Want You to Get That Mortgage?</a> </p>
<p>or <a href="http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1847053,00.html?cnn=yes" target="_blank">"God caused the bank to ignore my credit score and blessed me with my first house." </a></p>
<p>Has the so-called <a href="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1533448,00.html" target="_new">Prosperity Gospel</a> turned its followers into some of the most willing participants — and hence, victims — of the current financial crisis? That's what a scholar of the fast-growing brand of pentecostal Christianity believes. While researching a book on black televangelism, says Jonathan Walton, a religion professor at the University of California Riverside, <strong>he realized that Prosperity's central promise — that God would "make a way" for poor people to enjoy the better things in life — had developed an additional, toxic expression during sub-prime boom. Walton says that this encouraged congregants who got dicey mortgages to believe "God caused the bank to ignore my credit score and blessed me with my first house." The results, he says, "were disastrous, because they pretty much turned parishioners into prey for greedy brokers."</strong><br />
Others think he may be right. Says Anthea Butler, an expert in pentecostalism at the University of Rochester in New York state, "The pastor's not gonna say 'go down to <a href="http://time-blog.com/curious_capitalist/2008/10/wellswachovia_thats_270_billio.html" target="_new">Wachovia</a> and get a loan' but I have heard, 'even if you have a poor credit rating God can still bless you — if you put some faith out there [that is, make a big donation to the church], you'll get that house, or that car or that apartment.'" <strong>Adds J. Lee Grady, editor of the magazine </strong><em><strong>Charisma,</strong></em><strong> "It definitely goes on, that a preacher might say, 'if you give this offering, God will give you a house. And if they did get the house, people did think that it was an answer to prayer, when in fact it was really bad banking policy."</strong> If so, the situation offers a look at how an native-born faith built partially on American econoic optimism entered into a toxic symbiosis with a pathological market.</p>
<p><strong>Although a type of Pentecostalism, Prosperity theology adds a distinctive layer of supernatural positive thinking. Adherents will reap rewards if they prove their faith to God by contributing heavily to their churches, remaining mentally and verbally upbeat, and concentrating on divine promises of worldly bounty supposedly strewn throughout the bible. Critics call it a thinly disguised pastor-enrichment scam.</strong> Other experts, like Walton, note that for all its faults, it can empower people who have been taught to see themselves as financially or even culturally useless to feel they are "worthy of having more and doing more and being more." (<em>Sure, if you forget about the Bible says that the Holy Spirit, God the Father,and Jesus Christ are supposed to comfort and reassure us. Blessed are the poor for theirs is the kingdom of heaven</em>.) In some cases the philosophy has matured with its practitioners, encouraging good financial habits and entrepreneurship.</p>
<p><strong>But Walton suggests that a decade's worth of ever-easier credit acted like drug in Prosperity's bloodstream.</strong> "The economic boom 90's and financial over-extensions of the new millennium contributed to the success of the prosperity message," he wrote recently. And not positively. "Narratives of how 'God blessed me with my first house despite my credit' were common. Sermons declaring 'it's your season to overflow' supplanted messages of economic sobriety," and "little attention was paid to.. the dangers of using one's home equity as an ATM to subsidize cars, clothes and vacations."</p>
<p><strong>With the bubble burst, Walton and Butler assume that prosperity congregants have taken a disproportionate hit, and are curious as to how their churches will respond. Butler thinks that some of the flashier ministries will shrink along with their congregants' fortunes.</strong> Says Walton, "You would think that the current economic conditions would undercut their theology." But he predicts they will perservere, since God's earthly largesse is just as attractive when one is behind the economic eight ball.</p>
<p>A recently posted testimony by a congregant at the Brownsville Assembly of God near Pensacola, Fla., seems to confirm his intuition. Brownsville is not even a classic Prosperity congregation — <strong>it relies more on the anointing of its pastors than on scriptural promises of God</strong>. <strong>But the believer's note to his minister illustrates how magical thinking can prevail even after the mortgage blade has dropped. "Last Sunday," it read, "You said if anyone needed a miracle to come up. So I did. I was receiving foreclosure papers, so I asked you to anoint a picture of my home and you did and your wife joined with you in prayer as I cried. I went home feeling something good was going to happen. On Friday the 5th of September I got a phone call from my mortgage company and they came up with a new payment for the next 3 months of only $200. My mortgage is usually $1020. Praise God for his Mercy &#38; Grace."</strong></p>
<p>And pray that the credit market doesn't tighten any further.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some videos that speak of the error of these doctrines.[googlevideo=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7778759779492939619&#38;hl=en][googlevideo=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3964242992921312920&#38;hl=en]</p>
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<link>http://hermansmith.wordpress.com/?p=318</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>C. KingHisglory</dc:creator>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In November 2008, TBN will begin airing episodes of the Christian version of <strong><em>"The Simple Life." </em></strong>Starring Kenneth Copeland and Jesse Duplantis, the new show will be both comical and informational, just like the secular version. Reportedly, both televangelists signed up for the spots after TBN offered them each over a million dollars per episode. When asked about the hefty salaries, TBN responded, "They've sown for years into television as TV preachers, and now they're <em>really</em> reaping, praise God. They deserve every million, and I'm sure our TV audience will as well sow abundantly into the commercial-free episodes if they want to reap their own plenteous harvests. If they don't, they'll remain in the <span style="color:#800000;">simple class </span>under the curse of poverty where all the rest of the rebellious dwell."</p>
<p>The first episode has already been shot in Pasadena CA at a local McDonalds; there the two Christian moguls had to work the drive-through window for two days straight. İnsider reports say trouble occurred, though, when Reverend Copeland began preaching to the drive-through customers, telling them to sow their money into his <em>Believers Voice of Victory</em> ministry. Holding a Ronald McDonald House charity bucket out the window, he promised patrons "wealth after you sow into my anointed ministry AND riches when you watch this here anointed show in November, simple lifers." Some of those patrons responded accordingly, dropping money into the bucket, but others were furious. "I came here to get a burger, not to be scammed by a preacher!" screamed several. Word also has it that Mr. Copeland gathered the workers together at the end of the second day and urged them to rebel against the management staff, this after the assistant manager found that Mr. Copeland's drive-through drawer was short its money accountable. Evidently, the preacher had cheerfully given over half of it to Reverend Duplantis as a seed-faith gift into his Louisiana-based ministry. After the rebellion, over half of the staff was fired for insubordination; their new website, called <em>McDonalds' Workers Stand United</em>, is soliciting <span style="color:#333399;">huge</span> donations for the unemployed workers.</p>
<p>When asked about this rival show, Paris Hilton scratched her head and commented, "Imitation is flattery, but shouldn't these two preacher dudes be imitating Jesus?" Most of us are asking the same question, aren't we...</p>
<p><strong>(Note: this is satire.)</strong></p>
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<p>Power has always been attractive and one doesn't have to be religious to want it. Many are trained to scan the scriptures for God’s promises then speak the word of faith for it to materialize. While the Bible does show those who had faith for a miracle and healed, this is not a general promise where all one has to do is have faith enough to move the mountain and it occurs. Jesus said it was faith only of a mustard seed that is needed. Its not the amount of faith as if it needs to hit the Richter scale to be effective in the natural realm. It is true faith to trust and believe in a promise. Its faith in the God who can move mountains, not the power of our faith.</p>
<p>Well known Pentecostal, David Wilkerson, writes in the late Keith Green's Last Days Ministries newsletter, that he too has seen many Christians “throughout our nation, whose faith is shipwrecked” because of the “faith” movement. <span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">He writes that they began to “believe that getting every desire of the heart depended simply on getting their formulas correct. They were challenged to launch out in God for prosperity, perfect health, and whatever else their minds could conceive. “Conceive then believe. That includes removing from your vocabulary any negative thoughts, words, or confessions.”</span> </span></p>
<p>Interesting that James says though our tongue is a small member yet it boasts great things. Many word of faith teachers give testimony of all the things they received or made happen by speaking words with faith. Jesus said out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. To want and covet shows what is inside these people's hearts. I'm not saying everything is spent on themselves, but listen to the attitude and what they are saying, its a dead giveaway.</p>
<p>To word faith teachers faith is a force, a substance that is unseen, but can be tapped into, it is putty in the hands of the user even if they are a believer or not. it works the same for all. Confession brings possession.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;" align="center"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-family:'NewBskvll BT';">Positive confession…</span></span></p>
<p style="text-align:center;" align="center"><em><strong><span style="color:red;font-family:'NewBskvll BT';"><span style="font-size:medium;">Your confession is your possession</span></span></strong></em><span style="font-size:small;"></p>
<p style="text-align:center;" align="center"><span style="font-family:'NewBskvll BT';">Does God approve of such a thing?</span></p>
<p>Fred Price says,  “When 1 first got saved they didn't tell me I could do anything. What they told me to do was that whenever I prayed I should always say, 'The will of the Lord be done.,' Now, doesn't that sound humble? It does. Sounds like humility, it's really stupidity. I mean, you know, really, we insult God. 1 mean, we really do insult our Heavenly Father. We do; we really insult Him without even realizing it. If you have to say, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">'If it be thy will or' Thy will be done'-if you have to say that, then you're calling God a fool </span>because he's the One that fold us to ask.... If God's gonna give me what He wants me to have, then it doesn't matter what I ask. I'm only gonna get what God wants me to have. So that's an insult to God's intelligence.”  (Ever Increasing <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Faith” </span>program on TBN November 16 ,1990)</p>
<p>Benny Hinn has said “Never, ever, ever go the Lord and say, 'If it be thy will....' Don't allow such faith-destroying words to be spoken from your mouth” (<em>Rise and Be Healed</em>! 1991, p.47-48).</p>
<p>If its not God's will then whose is it? <strong><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">Yours!</span></strong></p>
<p>This practice has commonly been practiced in occult groups and various Eastern pagan religions such as the Buddhist sect Nichiren Shoshu Buddhism.</p>
<p>The Church Universal and Triumphant a New Age group also teaches “the scientific use of the mantra or the dynamic decree of the Word,” otherwise known as “the exercise of God's power according to the spoken Word” (Mark and Elizabeth Clare Prophet, The Lost Teachings of Jesus 2: Mysteries of the Higher Self [Livingston, MT: Summit University Press, 1988], 144, 207; cf. 103.)You can often hear them chanting I Am, or call on the healing power through the violet consuming flame.</p>
<p><strong> </strong>Benny Hinn<em> </em>actually claims that the Holy Spirit told him, “...that if witches and occultists can speak death by the supernatural power of words, then Christian can speak life and prosperity <span style="text-decoration:underline;">by the same power</span>.” (B. Hinn,  December 1, 1990, Orlando Christian Centre, WACX-TV Channel 55. Quoted in The Facts on the Faith Movement, J. Ankerberg &#38; J. Weldon, Harvest House, 1993, p.23)</p>
<p>Benny Hinn said, “confession activates heaven”, and that “confession releases the spirit world.”<em> (November 6, 1990 sermon telecast on TBN)</em></p>
<p>K.Copeland says “He am healin', He am deliverance, He am financial prosperity, mental prosperity, physical prosperity, family prosperity. It's terrible grammar, but you understand what I'm sayin'. I'm sayin' it to effect my mind.” (Believer's Voice of Victory Broadcast, 7/9/1987)</p>
<p>But it is not our mind that will give the answer but God . Otherwise it is not prayer but occult affirmations, metaphysical science.</p>
<p>“Jesus said He had the God-kind of faith; He encouraged His disciples to exercise that kind of faith; and He said that .whosoever' could do it.... That is why Jesus said, <em>'whosoever shall say </em>... <em>and shall not doubt</em> <em>IN HIS HEART. </em>”<em> (Having Faith in Your Faith </em>Kenneth Hagin Ministries, 1988, 3.)</p>
<p>“In the first place-and this will help you don't pray about money anymore; that is, the way you've been praying<em>. <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Claim whatever you</span></strong></em><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> <em>need</em></span><em>.</em></strong>”<em> </em>(Metaphysical <em>Elements In The Faith</em> <em>Movement, Compiled by</em> <em>Leon D. Stump, p.55,</em> <em>from <span style="text-decoration:underline;">the word of faith</span></em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"> </span><em>magazine, “How</em> <em>God Taught Me About</em> <em>Prosperity, “ Kenneth</em> <em>Hagin)</em>.</p>
<p>Copeland is not shy in his boasting of what he can claim by faith “Well, now, you need balance in this. get out there in that hyper faith. that name-it-and-claim-it- that blab-it-and-grab-it.” YEAH! We named it and claimed it and got it. (crowd cheers)-Blabbed it and grabbed it and still got it ! Hallelujah! And our bills are paid. (Aug 18,1999)</p>
<p>Creflo Dollar says, “I know what I'm talking about, I'm qualified to preach what I'm preachin tonight. I am qualified to say what I'm sayin' tonight. Somebody says how are you qualified? You are sitting in a building. That manifested because of so great faith.”(10/4 /99)</p>
<p>So Creflo got his building not because of God but attributes it to the power of his own belief.  Creflo tells us he has control over the weather and circumstances <span>“I bind you, satan.<span>  </span>I bind tragedy, I bind car wrecks, I bind cancer, sickness and disease.<span>  </span>I release miracle healings.”( first service <em>Our Equality with God Through Righteousness </em>Creflo Dollar 1/21/2001)<span>  </span>“The shingles fell off my roof one time, I said that ain’t happening no more. Newsman talking about this storm getting ready to come and it was black and nasty outside, the wind was blowing and the tree, I had a tree that needed to be cut. That thing wasn’t going to fall. Not on my stuff. I went outside and said in the name of Jesus, I command this storm to turn and it will not hurt my property. My neighbors out saying “that fools standing on the porch again”. I’m going to tell you what, trees fell but they knew the boundary of my house. Today, you can go in the back and trees fell but they stopped at an inch of my fence. Wouldn’t come across my property. Praying in the Holy Ghost until</span><strong> </strong><span>you tap the wisdom of God and spend time calling those things that are not as though they were.” (2nd service <em>Our Equality with God Through Righteousness </em>Creflo Dollar 1/21/2001)</span></p>
<p>“It is unscriptural to pray, 'If it is the will of God.' When you put an 'if' in your prayer, you are praying in doubt.( K.Hagin <em>Exeedingly growing faith </em>2<sup>nd</sup> ed. P.10 )</p>
<p> ”I will”, not God's will, has become the <em><strong>spiritual cliche'</strong></em> of our time. It is the same trap of the “I wills” of Lucifer that made him fall. Isa. 14:12-14 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'</p>
<p>Ps.12:2-4: “Help, LORD, for the godly man ceases! For the faithful disappear from among the sons of men. <span style="text-decoration:underline;">They speak idly everyone with his neighbor;<em> with flattering lips and a double heart they speak. </em>May the LORD cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaks proud things,”  Who have said, “<em>With our tongue we will prevail</em>; our lips are our own; who is lord over us?” </span>“For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now I will arise,” says the LORD; “I will set him in the safety for which he yearns.”</p>
<p>James says in 4:13 about boasting what one will do to be successful and rebukes them because they have no control over tomorrow and their life is short, “Instead you ought to say “If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this and that.” He then tells them they are arrogant and this type of speaking is EVIL. In chpt. 5 he rebukes them for being rich letting them know this will be their downfall 5:5 “you have fattened your hearts as in the day of slaughter.” 1 John 5:14 clearly says, “This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything <em>according to</em> <em>his will, </em>he hears us.” (also Matthew 6:10; 26:39; ).</p>
<p>Was God a negative confessor when he said to Adam the day you eat of this fruit you will die!  Numerous warnings are in Scripture that would seem to not be positive in its statement, but certainly in effect.</p>
<p>Biblically you can't have strength until you admit your weak, this is an attitude of true humility; without it, God cannot fill one up with His power until what is hindering is taken out of the way. It is self that is our biggest block, and it is self that is being proclaimed in the faith movement  disguised as the power of God. The faith in the word faith movement is disguised self esteem. It is centeerd on man having the power to declare and attract</p>
<p>At a healing crusade when people believe they are healed before they are,  is this Biblical faith by not looking at the symptoms and just claiming your healing. No! K. Hagin says if your sick ignore the symptoms and watch the word.” E.W. Kenyon said the same thing “confession always goes ahead of healing…symptoms are <span style="text-decoration:underline;">not the disease</span>.” To deny the symptoms is to lie to yourself and God, he never said, say it as a methodology. If this is true then someone who goes to a doctor for medicine because of their sickness or they go into surgery to have a tumor removed would not be cured because its not real, its only their symptom. Not only that, it would not be faith to go to a doctor, since one is not standing on the word for their healing but trusting in medical science for a cure. The Bible teaches that God can use other means besides supernatural healing to heal.</p>
<p>Hagin says if your sick the solution is easy “Often you create your own negative situations yourself with wrong thinking, wrong believing, and wrong speaking. So start believing according to God's Word. Then begin making positive confessions of faith and victory over your life. ... You will never receive anything from God beyond the words you speak. ... If you don't like what you have in life, then begin to change the way you are thinking, believing, and speaking. Instead of speaking according to natural circumstances out of your head, learn to speak God's Word from your spirit. Begin to confess God's promises of life and health and victory into your situation. Then you can begin to enjoy God's abundant life as you have what you say!” ( The Word of Faith, “You Can Have What You Say”)</p>
<p>“As a born-again believer, you are equipped with the Word. You have the power of God at your disposal. By getting the Word deep into your spirit and speaking it boldly out your mouth, you release spiritual power to change things in the natural circumstances.” (Kenneth Copeland, The Power of the Tongue, 15.)</p>
<p>“What you are saying is exactly what you are getting now. If you are living in poverty and lack and want, change what you are saying.... The powerful force of the spiritual world that creates the circumstances around us is controlled by the words of the mouth.” (The Laws of Prosperity, Kenneth Copeland, Ft. Worth: Kenneth Copeland Publications, 1974).</p>
<p>“Words are the most sacred things....This is a word planet...governed by words...created by words....Words cause it to function...cause life...cause death....Words go on forever....Words are holy.” (The Abrahamic Covenant, side 1.)</p>
<p>Gods word is eternal and holy, not mans. Jesus said we would be accountable for the words we speak, which means we do not speak correctly, truthfully nor Godly all the time.</p>
<p>Words are so powerful that we have the same ability that God does “You have the same creative faith and ability on the inside of you that God used when he created the heavens and the earth.” (Kenneth Copeland, Inner Image of the Covenant, side 2.)</p>
<p>In this World of using Scripture to gain access the wealth and health it only makes a difference in how ye thinketh.</p>
<p>“It makes a great deal of difference what one thinks. I believe that is why many people are sick, even though they are prayed for by everyone in the country. They get in every healing line and still never receive healing. The reason they are not getting healed is that they are thinking wrong.” (Kenneth Hagin, <em>Right and Wrong Thinking </em>, 1978 pg 19.)<span style="font-size:10pt;"> </span></p>
<p>Say it like you mean it, believe until it rises up out of your heart and your convinced that you are healed. Don’t listen to anyone saying otherwise, just keep on believing. I’ve been to these services where people say they are healed of a limp as they limp out of there. Actually there are just as many faith teachers who are sick and have died than us mere Christians who do not know how to use “the laws of faith.” So its not working for them either, but they just won't tell you this!</p>
<p>E.W. Kenyon in his book the Hidden man on pg. 99 “I know that I am healed because I said that I am healed and it makes no difference what the symptoms may be in my body.” If they are coughing and you say you have a cold they say no I don’t, haven’t had a cold in years. That’s called denial at best and lying at worst. To say I’m healed even though their can be in tremendous pain. when your not telling the truth isn’t that called lying.</p>
<p>K. Hagin in his book “In the name of Jesus says In teaching on divine healing and health , I have so often said, I haven’t had a headache in so many years (45 to be exact) I guess the devil got tired of hearing me say it. Just a few months ago, as I left the office building and started home, suddenly my head started hurting, someone might say, “well, you had a headache. No, I didn’t have one! I don’t have headaches. I haven’t had a headache since August 1934. 45 years have come and gone .and I haven’t had a headache…but if I had a headache, I wouldn’t tell anybody. And if somebody asked me how I was feeling, I would say, I’m fine, thank you.” (In the name of Jesus, p.44) Notice he says he wouldn't tell you how he really feels because words override the pain. Is this honest ? What do call this when someone acts in this way. If I went into a restaurant and ordered an expensive meal with only a dollar in my pocket and I didn't tell the waiter that I couldn't pay, what would you call this? ...That's exactly what you should call what Hagin is saying.</p>
<p>Faith teachers get sick also they have a headaches and stomach aches, they  stub their toes and bang their hand just like anyone else. They deny it despite what is certainly there. What they are saying is what you confess you will possess but you didn’t confess a headache to get it in the first place, it just came. So they need to put blame on someone and it usually is the devil. This is why they command Satan to leave their body. What one needs to ask is how did he get in there in the first place? Doesn’t this mean they were not walking in faith for him to invade them like this.</p>
<p>Would you go around saying that your the president of the company that you are just an employee of because you desire that position. If you were caught doing that they would say your lying . Try cashing a check as that president when your not and see what happens. What of scriptures such as God saying let there be light can someone of the faith movement ever say these same words and change the darkness of night to day, have you seen anyone move any mountains lately if not they do not have the faith of God.</p>
<p>What if this concept of healing were being brought to its logical conclusion. If you get a flat tire. Are you going to confess the tire is fixed and round again. Speak it back to restoration. No of course not. So why would you not do the same for anything else. If it doesn’t work for the inorganic. it won’t work for the organic either.</p>
<p>If one takes the Scripture by faith confessing God s word, why stop with healing? Why not go all the way and confess not dying as in John 11:26:”And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?” Then one will never die. While all the promises of God are yea and amen. They are not for all people all the time. Many were given to specific people for a specific purpose.</p>
<p style="text-align:center;" align="center">The <strong><em><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">Force</span></em></strong> of faith</p>
<p>“Faith activates the force of God fear is a force that activates the Devil. Copeland says, God did not create the world out of nothing, He used the Force of His Faith.' (Spirit, Soul and Body, #01-0601, Tape #1)</p>
<p>New Ager Benjamin Creme says, for example, “One doesn't pray to oneself, one prays to the God within. The thing is to learn to invoke that <em>energy which is the energy of God.</em> Prayer and worship as we know it today will gradually die out and men will be trained to invoke the (inner) power of deity.” (The Reappearance of Christ and the Masters of Wisdom, pp. 135-136)</p>
<p>The New Age has the exact same methodology for success. This is not ignored by the word/faith promoters since they believe anyone can use this power, saint or sinner. In like manner this power is used to influence themselves, others, ( achieving their own self-interests), their environment  or what they deem as reality .</p>
<p>Techniques used are<strong> </strong>visualization which they internally create the form and project its image into the outer world. The word spoken as it is first incubated in thought it will become reality when continually spoken.</p>
<p><em>Copeland </em>agrees and states<em>, </em>“<em>You can have what you say! </em>In fact, what you are saying is exactly what you are getting now. If you are living in poverty and lack and want, change what you are saying. It will change what you have.... Discipline your vocabulary. Discipline everything you do, everything you say, and everything you think to agree with what God does, what God says, and what God thinks. God will be obligated to meet your needs because of His Word.... If you stand firmly on this, your needs will be met.” ( <em>D.L. McConnell p.173</em>)</p>
<p>A.W.Tozer wrote... “imagination projects unreal images out of the mind and seeks to attach reality to them. Faith creates nothing; it simply reckons upon that which is already there.”</p>
<p>God has  some interesting things addressed to this type of nonsense. Lam 3:37-50 “<strong>Who is he who speaks and it comes to pass, when the Lord has not commanded it</strong>?   Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that <span style="text-decoration:underline;">woe and well-being proceed?</span>   Why should a living man complain, a man for the punishment of his sins?   Let us search out and examine our ways, and turn back to the LORD;   Let us lift our hearts and hands to God in heaven.   We have transgressed and rebelled; you have not pardoned.   You have covered Yourself with anger and pursued us; you have slain and not pitied.  You have covered Yourself with a cloud, that prayer should not pass through.  You have made us an offscouring and refuse in the midst of the peoples.  All our enemies have opened their mouths against us. Fear and a snare have come upon us, desolation and destruction. My eyes overflow with rivers of water for the destruction of the daughter of my people.  My eyes flow and do not cease, without interruption, Till the LORD from heaven looks down and sees.” Like in Jeremiahs day this is the state of our present day church.</p>
<p align="center"><strong><span style="font-size:13.5pt;">Creative faith for miracles</span></strong></p>
<p>“Words are spiritual containers,” (Kenneth Copeland, <em>Forces of the Recreated Human Spirit</em>, 15; cf. 14.)</p>
<p><em>“Faith was the raw material substance that the Spirit of God used to form the universe.”</em> (Kenneth Copeland, Authority of the Believer II (Fort Worth: Kenneth Copeland Ministries, 1987, audiotape #01-0302), side 1.) He doesn't say this a few times but is a consistent teaching in his theological bent.</p>
<p>“Faith is God's source of power.” (<em>Freedom From Fear</em>, 1983. p12.)</p>
<p>Not only does God use this faith but we can as well<em> </em>“You have the same creative faith and ability on the inside of you that God used when he created the heavens and the earth.” (Kenneth Copeland, Inner Image of the Covenant, side 2.) Copeland explains to Hinn how this all works “The law of faith, faith work by certain elements and when those elements from the word of God are put in, in release and in power than it always brings the same results , and I don't care who it is I don't care where you are or where you from<span>  </span>I don't care what culture you come from, I don't care what color your skin is I don't care whether your rich man poor man beggar man or thief. When you put those elements into operation they will come connect to the anointing and the results will come Benny Hinn “MY <span style="text-decoration:underline;">GOD!” (so its not by God's will but by ours).</span> Copeland and B. Hinn this is your day<em>  Aug.10,1999)</em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>So this law that is suppose to be universal like gravity works even if you're an unbeliever and a thief. how can one who is not right with God use faith? Because its not the same as biblical faith it is a natural law as Copeland explains. So it really has nothing to do with God, because he is not obligated to give a sinner any request lest he repents.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Arial;">“</span>When we use the spiritual laws that God has set up, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">God must obey what we request</span>.” (Praise the Lord, TBN 2/5/86)</p>
<p>“Words create pictures, and pictures in your mind create words. And then the words come back out your mouth....And when that spiritual force comes out it is going to give substance to the image that's on the inside of you. Aw, that's that visualization stuff! Aw, that's that New Age! No, New Age is trying to do this; and they'd get somewhat results out of it because this is spiritual law, brother.” (<em>Believer's Voice of Victory </em>(television program), TBN, 28 March 1991.)</p>
<p>“God used words when He created the heaven and the earth....Each time God spoke, He released His faith -- the creative power to bring His words to pass.” (<em>The Power of the Tongue </em>(Fort Worth: KCP Publications, 1980), 4.)</p>
<p>Isn't it funny that not once will you find the word faith in the OT especially in the creation narrative of Genesis attributed to God. Nowhere does it say God used faith. Why? Because it is man who needs faith not God!</p>
<p>Recently on John Hagee's program Copeland said, “The very faith that God used when He created, and what we read there in the first 2 chapters of Genesis, is the faith that’s burning in your spirit. But now if you’ve made Jesus the Lord of your life, it’s the same faith. Well, He created all those planets, how come you can’t create something? You don’t know as much about it as He does. He has a greater working knowledge of that faith than you do. But we’re learning. Our time is coming. And in some ways its already here.” (Aug 18,1999 )</p>
<p>Notice he says its coming because they don't have the knowledge yet. But he's been saying this as a fact for years! The only difference between God’s ability and ours is that He has a greater knowledge.</p>
<p>Kenneth Hagin: “Jesus used the fig tree to demonstrate that He had that God-kind of faith, then He said to the disciples-and to us-'You have that kind of faith.'. . . Jesus said He had the God-kind of faith; He encouraged His disciples to exercise that kind of faith; and He said that .whosoever' could do it.... That is why Jesus said, <em>'whosoever shall say </em>... <em>and shall not doubt</em> <em>IN HIS HEART. ' “ (Having Faith in Your Faith, </em>Kenneth Hagin Ministries, 1988 1, 3)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Mk.11:22 “Have the faith of God (<em>in)</em> This unclear passage is determined by other clear passages. The word ‘in’ is missing so it reads have faith God. This is a Hebraism: to have strong faith, or the strongest faith. When things look impossible. There is no such thing as a God kind faith. It means a faith that is wholly reliant on God. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jesus had already stated, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”<span>   </span>(Matt 19:26) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>But the faith movement states with ones words in faith we can change anything. Which means this faith is with man and not God.</span> They believe that a failure to get what they ask for is a failure in faith.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>This unclear passage is determined by other clear passages.</span> However, this verse must not be isolated from other verses on prayer, and it is always important to make certain that we incorporate everything the Bible teaches on any one point before drawing our conclusions.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Throughout the Scripture it tells us to have faith in Christ John 14:1” Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.”<span>   </span>Faith means trust, its object is always God, If faith is put in any other object no matter how sacred it will fail. Does God have faith? No! Faith has an object. The Christian faiths object is God, not faith itself. It means to trust in someone other (in our instance greater) than oneself. If God has faith to create then whom did He trust in? This concept destroys the very nature of God Gods name is I Am that I am, the self sufficient self- existent one. He is perfect needing nothing outside Himself, He is a non dependent being not needing anything from anyone else. God is not using His faith as His power there is no such thing. God is able to do all things we are not. We cannot speak more stars into existence nor can we change a boy into a girl by our words. When Jesus spoke the words let it be according to your faith the individual was asking for a specific act from Jesus when he was physically present with him. He did these miracles to prove His personhood as God, it was not a blank check for anyone to say it to receive it. Is it really faith to demand our rights from God or is it pride and immaturity to demand things as spoiled little children. The faith in the word of faith movement is misplaced faith. Real faith involves time, it produces character as we go through our trials. It builds us up giving us endurance not by demanding God but from relying on his provision as we go through we have his assurance he is with us. Faith is only as good as the object it is placed in.</span> Matthew 21:22 must be taken with I John 5:13-15, which <span>also points out that God hears us only if we ask according To -will” in other words, if we make a request that is not His will to grant, no amount of faith will effect that petition. Prayer is unlimited in its possibilities except one, God’s will. If you are praying for something that is not God’s purpose, no amount of prayer will change it. </span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom:0;">V.23.having a mountain removed and cast into the sea, is to have a thing to be far removed. It is not speaking of physical but spiritual obstacles to the progress of His kingdom. [the expression 'rooting up mountains' is in common Rabbinic use as a hyperbole for doing the impossible or the incredible.<span>   </span>[Babha B. 3 b; for the latter<span>   </span>Ber. 64 a; Sanh. 24 a; Horay. 14 a.]. Mountains in biblical symbolism means kings or kingdoms (Mt.17:20). This is why you have never seen a mountain thrown in the sea.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Jesus makes it clear in v. </span>24-26 “Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them.” And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. “But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.” F<span>aith gives anticipation in prayer that God hears us and that he will answer.<span>   </span>Faith is to have an absolute, yet simple assurance of God’s promise.<span>  </span>Mark also gives a condition for the Lords acceptance to our prayer. Mark connects the promise to move mountains with forgiveness our reconciliation with brothers, v.25-26 </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>This principle is found when the disciples tried to cast out a demon with the authority Jesus gave them but were unsuccessful. </span></p>
<p class="MsoBodyText" style="margin-bottom:0;">Mt. 17:19-21 Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast him out?” “So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you. “However, this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.” It wasn’t just a lack of faith but they needed to ask and fast. The mountain Jesus interprets for us are those things opposing His kingdom; in this case a demon who had kept someone in bondage.</p>
<p>Paul writes in Romans can the potter talk back to the clay, I've never seen this happen until our time. They can order and decree from God whatever they please, even the shape of their own lives. Deceptive power does not come without a price. I have yet to see someone change a flat tire to round, much less actually move a mountain which the scripture mentions!</p>
<p>Heb.6:12: “That you not become sluggish, but imitate those who through <span style="text-decoration:underline;">faith </span>and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">patience </span>inherit the promises.' He then goes into Gods promise to Abraham and that he swore by himself because there is no one greater. Notice it is God’s promise and that we are to wait on him to fulfill it by having patience and faith. Not stand on it and demand it. In God’s timing and his way, just as he did for Abraham.</p>
<p>Real faith is neither a blind leap into the unknown nor is it mustering up belief for our own wants to possess something. A.C.Gabeleian says. “Faith is not blind confidence that demands to get whatever we want. For this is in effect, as one has said, would dethrone God, and place the scepter in our hands, making God obedient and irresisting power to do our unwise bidding (The Healing question pp.124-125) Faith is not in what we speak but in the God who spoke and the universe leaped into existence. True faith is in the one who can keep his word.</p>
<p>If faith is based on the immutable law of God in nature then even unbelievers can use it (Which is exactly what they say). Then it is without exception. So every time someone says something negative believing it, then it will come to pass. The last time I looked at the Bible and reality I have not seen God put this kind of power in the hands of sinful or saved men.</p>
<p>Faith is not telling a person they can see when they can’t or tell someone they are healed when they are dying. This cannot accomplish what is being said anymore than telling a person he can fly when he can’t fly or walk through walls when they can’t. Faith involves an assent to what is truth, not what is false.</p>
<p>Our faith is not what we speak using incantations from the word, but <em>in the word</em> and the one who <em>spoke the word</em>.  Praying in Jesus name is not a warranty to receive everything we say and we can certainly thank Him for that. He doesn't want spoiled little children, but mature heavenly minded people who look at His Word and are willing to be conformed to His likeness even if it’s uncomfortable.  Those that can trust him in His decisions He can entrust to answer.  To pray in his name means “in his authority” according to his will, to ask in the understanding of what God wants to accomplish on earth. Romans 8.27: “ And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with <span style="text-decoration:underline;">God’s will</span>.” We need to line up our will with His, then we can be confident he hears us because it is what he wants to accomplish. So you must have the right kind of faith mixed with patience and trust to be “in the faith “ and be a true son of Abraham.  The faith Movements faith is not “Biblical faith”, it is defective and flawed, because it is self- focused on our wants, not trusting in God's decisions. Until they learn this simple biblical lesson they will continue to expand their errors being deceived and deceiving others!</p>
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<p>Recently the book and DVD called “<span style="text-decoration:underline;">the secret</span>” has become popular. It was promoted by Oprah Winfrey, a mind science adherent. It has made a large impact in a short time in America and throughout the world. “The Secret” Book is a bestseller, on the <em>USA Today,</em> <em>Wall Street Journal</em> and <em>New York Times</em> bestseller lists. 6 million copies of the book have been sold so far. The Secret is also an 80 minute DVD that is the top-seller on Amazon.com and BarnesAndNoble.com; 3 million copies have been bought. In other words this is in its beginning.</p>
<p>Many have accepted it as the newest success in life technique. It is really a potpourri of occult and metaphysical ideas. It is the basic message of the New age Movement- HUMAN POTENTIAL, which has its roots in mind science teachings. In this series of articles I want us to look at the similarities of the teachings of “the Secret” and its source and compare it to the word faith movements teachings.</p>
<p>The 29 co-contributors quoted by the author Rhonda Byrne of “The Secret.” All the authors agree with the metaphysical worldview and practice the concepts presented in the book and DVD.</p>
<p>Rhonda Byrne sums up “The Secret” as: “<em>The law of attraction is the most powerful law.</em>” “<em>like attracts like. ... The law of attraction is giving you what you are thinking about. It is working all the time.</em> “<em>What we do is we attract into our lives the things we want, and that is based on what we’re thinking and feeling,”</em>“<em>we create our own circumstances by the choices we make in life. And the choices we make are fueled by our thoughts—which means our thoughts are the most powerful things we have here on earth.” </em>That’s something to really think about.</p>
<p><span style="font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;"><font face="TimesNewRomanPSMT">How does it work? Everything and everyone in the universe is energy and our thoughts put out a vibration, then things are attracted to us like a magnet</p>
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<p>John Walsch of the Secret states <em>Thoughts are like magnets, drawing effects to you</em>.” (p. 188)</p>
<p>Michael Beckwith states on the DVD that this has been <strong>“</strong><em>scientifically proven”</em>, Bob Proctor says this <strong>“</strong><em>law” </em>is-- <em>“energy attracts like energy.”</em><strong> </strong>They seem to have overlooked that <em>opposites </em>attract in magnetism, like repels like. Oh well, so much for being scientific<span style="font-size:x-small;font-family:TimesNewRomanPSMT;">.</span></p>
<p>This concept is not exclusive to the Secret book- New Age participants have known this for years. John Randolph Price agrees; in his book “<em>The Superbeings</em>” he says: “<em>Like attracts like.<span style="text-decoration:underline;"> What you think in your mind will produce in your experience. … All the Power of the Universe is within you and this Power you can have anything on earth you desire</span>.</em>”<em>  </em>(xv <em>The</em> S<em>uperbeings</em> John Randolph Price 1981 Quartus foundation)</p>
<p>To put it simply in there own words- the ‘universal mind’ is energy ... which is everywhere, and we are all ‘One’ with it, and have power to control our reality. There is no personal Holy God in “<em>The Secret,</em>” instead they use the universe as a substitute, in fact- the closest they come to calling something God is by saying you are God.</p>
<p>P.46 of “The Secret” states “<em>you are the master of the Universe the law obeys you.</em>” -- “<em>Your wish is my command.</em>”<strong> </strong>We are told<em> “<span style="text-decoration:underline;">This law listens to everything we think and act.</span></em>” You have got to be kiddin’, the law is an “it” but it has ears. It has a mind but none of its own, it obeys us.</p>
<p>Mind science promoter Robert Collier wrote about the same concepts in his books <em>The God in You, The Secret Power, The Magic Word,</em> and <em>The Law of the Higher Potential.</em> In his book “Secret of the Ages” he writes: <em>“Being a part of Universal Mind, shar­ing that Universal Mind's all-power, it has only to put <span style="text-decoration:underline;">the Creative Force</span> all about it into the mold of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">your thought and bring the object into being</span></em>” (<em>Secret of the Ages</em> p.62).</p>
<p>As we will see the word faith teachers are not far from the original tree that bore this fruit.</p>
<p>When and where did these ideas begin? In the middle of the 19th century to the early 1900’s a small spiritual revolution began, it used a mystical interpretation of Bible and combined other concepts to form a new type of spiritual system- it was called “<em>New Thought</em>.” Today we categorize it as the new age movement.</p>
<p>The founder of New Thought philosophy was Phineas Quimby<strong>,</strong> he was a student of spiritism, occultism, hypnosis and other expressions of parapsychology. His ideas gained prominence, and from his ideas was born Christian Science, Religious Science and became the basis for a number of cults, which include Unity School of Christianity.</p>
<p>New Thought's basic teaching is that everything is in the mind. We create our own world of good or evil, health or sickness, prosperity or lack by our thoughts. Mary Baker Eddy was one of the early patients Quimby “healed” and she began a new interpretation of the Bible called “Christian science” that was based upon Quimby's teachings-which she never admitted to. Her ideology was God is “Divine Mind,” and illness results from being out of tune with “Divine Mind.” Christian Science makes sickness an illusion and one overcomes it with correct thinking, it is the same thing in the word faith movement, they believe their body is lying to them. They disbelieve the symptoms, and stand on continual positive confession of the word to relieve them-selves.</p>
<p>The Unity School of Christianity (also known as Unity) was founded in 1889 by Charles and Myrtle Fillmore. Charles Fillmore is quoted in <em>The Secret </em>along with other New Thought teachers. One of Fillmore’s quotes in the book states: <em>“Divine Mind is the one and only reality.” </em>It is important to note that Phineas Quimby is the man who E.W. Kenyon studied and embraced his ideas. These same concepts were later embraced and copied by Kenneth Hagin. Both he and his disciple Kenneth Copeland popularized these teachings in the church. Kenyon denied that he taught religious science. Yet it is a fact that his schooling were from those who practiced that philosophy. His influence came through years attending the Emerson College School of Oratory. Charles Wesley Emerson was an adherent of New Thought metaphysics. Emerson joined Christian Science in 1903 and remained in that religion until his death in 1908.</p>
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<p>Another New Thought church is Religious Science whose founder Ernest Holmes based his “Science of Mind” on the same concepts: Holmes doubted the answers he got in church. He discovered the writings of Ralph Waldo Emerson. “<em>Reading Emerson is like drinking water to me</em>.” He pursued his metaphysical studies which involved literature, science, philosophy, and religion. And finally embraced the Christian Science teachings of Mary Baker Eddy. He then came upon the works of Ralph Waldo Trine, Horatio Dresser and Phineas Quimby. He moved from Christian Science teachings to<span style="font-size:medium;color:#008000;"> </span>Larson's works.</p>
<p>Ernest Holmes patterned his Science of Mind on: “<em>Man, by thinking, can bring into his experience whatsoever he desires ....” </em>“<em>all is mind and that everything is governed by law, there comes another thought: it is that he can create, or have created for him from his own thinking. He can create such a strong mental atmosphere of success that its power of attraction will be irresistible. He can send his thought throughout the world and have it bring back to him whatever he wants” ( </em>“Creative Mind and Success” by Ernest Holmes).</p>
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<p>More recently-Norman Vincent Peale, a student of Holmes brought these same concepts into the church. He too based his positive-thinking principles on New Thought. Peale said as a youth he had “the worst inferiority complex of all,” and developed his positive thinking philosophy to help himself.<em> </em>Peale is what is known as a “progressive in religion-” one who did not believe in the bibles testimony of Jesus being the only way. <em>In 1984, on the Phil Donahue program, Peale said, “It's not necessary to be born again. You have your way to God; I have mine. I found eternal peace in a Shinto shrine ...I've been to Shinto shrines, and God is everywhere:” Shocked, Phil Donahue responded, “But you're a Christian minister; you're supposed to tell me that Christ is the way and the truth and the life, aren't you?” Peale replied, “Christ is one of the ways. God is everywhere.” (Christian News (May 12, 1997), 11.</em>Peale taught<em> “Your unconscious mind ... [has a] power <span style="text-decoration:underline;">that turns wishes into realities</span> when the wishes are strong enough.” ( Norman Vincent Peale, Positive Imaging (Fawcett Crest, 1982), p. 77.)</em>He also taught:<em> “God is energy. As you breathe God in, as you visualize His energy, you will be reenergized!”</em> (Norman Vincent Peale, PLUS: The Magazine of Positive Thinking, 37:4, May 1986, Part 11, 23.)<em> </em>Similarly, John Walsch of “the Secret” states “<em>God is the energy you call imagination</em>.” p. 198).</p>
<p>These same concepts/teachings permeate the mind sciences.</p>
<p>Peale recommendation to visualizing this energy to permeate one's being; inhale this energy as God</p>
<p>Is found in new age (occult) they visualize energies circulating around or through their body. The vineyard churches a number of years ago would scoop the air around people to bring it toward them calling the Holy spirit to fill them. This is known as pantheism, and is more like Hinduism’s prana, where one breathes the air in their yoga exercise for energizing themselves.</p>
<p>Peale is known to be a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">33rd degree Mason</span>. When a Mason reaches this level of illumination he is taught that the god of the Bible is really a false god and Lucifer the lightbearer is the true God.</p>
<p>Robert Schuller attributed to Peale to be the man who had the greatest influence upon his theology and ministry, (He even claimed Peale starting the positive thinking movement). Schuller changed the term positive thinking to Possibility thinking and continued to contain the principles of these same ideas.</p>
<p>There are Spiritual winds that blow from the same source in the same direction. We have watched the church copy the world but when the world starts to mimic the church- we need to pay attention. ‘The Secret’ DVD and book is sweeping the secular world. The word faith teachers in the church originally got their teaching from the new thought movement over one hundred years ago - both are from the same source.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Some of you may be surprised that Christians are <span style="text-decoration:underline;">attracted</span> to the Secret (no pun meant). Why Not? Word faith teachers have been using these very same concepts inside the church for years and now they are acceptable because of their promotion on major Christian TV networks.</p>
<p>As we continue we are going to see a thread of commonality in the teachings of mind science and word faith. Interesting note- They both use many of the same scriptures.</p>
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<p>Quotes from the Secret:</p>
<p><em>Whatever is going on in your mind is what you are attracting<br />
<em>We are like magnets - like attract like. You become AND attract what you think<br />
Every thought has a frequency. Thoughts send out a magnetic energy<br />
Those who speak most of illness have illness, those who speak most of prosperity have it.<br />
When you get the hang of this, before you know it you will KNOW you are the creator...You are the only one that creates your reality....Play the picture in your mind - focus on the end result. “It’s OK that thoughts don’t manifest into reality immediately</em> ....“<em>VISUALIZE!!! Rehearse your future...VISUALIZE!!! See it, feel it! This is where action begins.<br />
Create a Vision Board .. pictures of what you want to attract .. every day look at it and get into the feeling state of already having acquired these wants.<br />
Decide what you want .. believe you can have it, believe you deserve it, believe it’s possible for you.<br />
Close your eyes and visualize having what you already want - and the feeling of having it already....Checks are coming in the mail regularly’… or change your bank statement to whatever balance you want in there… and get behind the feeling of having it.</em></p>
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<p>Mind science teacher W. Clement Stone, is quoted in the Secret: “<em>Whatever the mind of man can conceive, it can achieve” </em>Kenneth Copeland tells people to visualize: “<em>Any image that you get down on the inside of you that is so vivid when you close your eyes you see it, it'll come to pass. When God came at the Tower of Babel, He said, 'Anything they can imagine, they can do</em>.'“ (Copeland, <em>Inner Image of the Covenant,</em> side 2)</p>
<p>Indeed the Lord did say at the Tower of Babel in Gen. 11:6: “<span style="text-decoration:underline;"><em>now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them</em></span>.” It wasn’t a good thing.</p>
<p>Rhonda Byrne, in her book and DVD, <em>The Secret, </em>tells how her daughter gave her a copy of <em>The Science of Getting Rich</em>, a book written in 1910 by Wallace D. Wattles. She believes she discovered the success of “<em>the greatest people in history.</em>” This book<em> </em>inspired Byrne to create her bestselling DVD. Wattle’s explains that the: “<em>universal mind” underlies and permeates all creation. <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Through the process of visualization we can engage the law of attraction,</span> impressing our thoughts upon “formless substance” to bring the desired result</em>. <em>. Once a person learns and obeys these laws, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">he will get rich with mathematical certainty</span>.”</em>Byrne, the author of <em>The Secret</em>, is also greatly influenced by a couple named Jerry and Esther Hicks‘. In the Acknowledgements of <em>The Secret</em>, she thanks them for<em> the teachings of Abraham</em>. On the Hicks website, we find: <em>“Abraham, a <span style="text-decoration:underline;">group of obviously evolved teachers, speak their broader Non-physical perspective through the physical body of Esthe</span>r” </em>In other words this is channeling- spirit possession.</p>
<p>On April 5, 2007, Oprah Winfrey discussed the Secret with these spirits “channeled” by Secret promoter, Esther Hicks. Not that we should be surprised, “channeling” has long been promoted openly on Oprah’s TV show.</p>
<p>What do the Hicks teach—</p>
<p><em>‘You are a creator; you create with your every thought. Anything that you can imagine is yours to be or do or have.”</p>
<p>This is<em> </em>straight out of<em> </em>Mind Science</em></p>
<p>Jerry Hicks had also been a devotee of the book “<em>Think and Grow Rich</em>” by Napoleon Hill. Napoleon Hill said of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">his book</span>- “<em>This book contains the secret”</em> (Napoleon Hill <em>Think and Grow Rich </em>p.9). Hill was taught the same occult principles by demons who posed as Ascended Masters from a School of Wisdom on the astral plane.<em> </em>Hill stated <em>“I know I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul” (Think and Grow Rich p.215-) – </em>this is<em> </em>word for word from Charles Fillmore’s book<em> “Dynamics for Living</em>,”<span style="font-size:x-large;"><strong> </strong></span>and<strong> </strong>Ernest Holmes Creative Mind and Success.</p>
<p>Ernest Holmes founder of Religious Science also came upon the same “Supreme Se­cret” that was revealed to Napoleon Hill- “<em>Science of MIND teaches that Man controls the course of his life ... by mental processes which function according to a Universal Law ...”</em>Rhonda Byrne’s book is connected to both Wattles and the Hicks. The Hicks is connected to Napoleon Hill.</p>
<p>So we see a common source for “the Secret” teaching- it is dictated by spirit guides. We will confirm that these same teachings permeate the word faith movement.</p>
<p>We are warned that the teaching of demons will come into the church 1 Tim. 4:1: “<em>Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons.</em>” The reason for this is found in 2 Tim. 4:3-4 “<em>For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but <span style="text-decoration:underline;">according to their own desires</span>, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and <span style="text-decoration:underline;">they will turn their ears away from the truth</span>, and be turned aside to fables”.</em>The secret teaches visualization- so do the mind sciences. Certain Christian leaders have been teaching visualization for years. In his booklet, <em>The Power of the Inner Eye</em>, Robert Schuller corrupts the Scripture by claiming that it advocates the occult technique of visualization. In an article dealing with . . . visualization .... “<em>This is the vision that the Bible is talking about in the verse,</em> “<em>Where there is no vision the people perish.”. . . I have practiced and harnessed the power of the inner eye and it works .... Thirty years ago we started with a vision of a church. It's all come true.”</em> (May, 1985, issue of Psychology Today, “<em>In the Mind's Eye.</em>”)</p>
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<p>Schuller wrote the forward of Yonggi Cho’s book “The Fourth Dimension,” which is filled with promoting new age visualization “<em>I discovered the reality of that dynamic dimension in prayer that comes through visualizing..... Don't try to understand it. Just start to enjoy it! It's true. It works. I tried</em> it.”</p>
<p>Visualization is one of the fastest ways to open oneself up to the spiritual realm—Cho teaches praying is not sufficient that<em> “We should always try to visualize the end result as we pray.... If you have not visualized clearly in your heart exactly what you hope for, it cannot become a reality to you....” .... Through visualizing and dreaming, you can incubate your future and hatch the results</em>” (The Fourth Dimension, Volume Two, pp. 25-28, 68, p. 44)</p>
<p>Aside from some Christian terms, I could mix up their quotes and you could not tell which is from mind/religious science and from the church.</p>
<p>David Cho explains of his four step plan for the incubation formula: 1) <em>Visualize a clear-cut goal or idea in your mind; 2) have a burning desire for your objective; 3) pray until you get the guarantee or assurance from God that what you desire is already yours; 4) speak or confess the end result into existence</em>.”</p>
<p>This the same formulae used in the secret-<em> Play the picture in your mind - focus on the end result” VISUALIZE!!! Rehearse your future” “ VISUALIZE!!! See it, feel it! This is where action begins”<br />
Create a Vision Board .. pictures of what you want to attract .. every day look at it and get into the feeling state of already having acquired these wants.<br />
Decide what you want .. believe you can have it, believe you deserve it, believe it’s possible for you.<br />
Close your eyes and visualize having what you already want - and the feeling of having it already.</em>Bothj cho and the Secret are nearly identical of mind science teacher Robert Collier<em> “There is no limit, you know, to Mind. Visualize this thing that you want. See it, feel it, BELIEVE in it. Make your mental blue-print, and begin to build! (</em>Robert Collier, <em>The Law of Higher Potential</em>, p. 368 (1947).</p>
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<p>Cho<em> states “In that way, with the power of the Holy Spirit, we can incubate that which we want God to do for us.... We should <span style="text-decoration:underline;">always try to visualize the end result as we pray</span>. If you have not visualized clearly in your heart exactly what you hope for, it cannot become a reality to you....</em> (Yonggi Cho, The Fourth Dimension, Volume One (So. Plainfield, NJ: Bridge Publishing, 1979), 9-35; vol. 2, 18-33)</p>
<p><em>“We have taught our people how to ... visualize success .... Through visualizing and dreaming, you can incubate your future and hatch the results.”</p>
<p>(P. Yonggi Cho 4<sup>t</sup>h Dimension p.44, vol.2, pp.25-28, 68)</em></p>
<p>“<em>This is what the Holy Spirit taught me</em>.” (<em>The Fourth Dimension</em> p. 39-44)</p>
<p>How did the Holy Spirit teach him something that the Christian church never had in Scripture or was taught to the apostles for the early church? Occultists have been practicing this for thousands of years. It is one thing to receive a vision from God it is another to conjure it up oneself and expect God to obey.</p>
<p>What is the difference between someone seeing in the mind what they would want and have it materialize, and for example, seeing a picture to draw a blueprint of a house? The architect is not using the image or his mind to actually create the house- they are using they hands, physical labor to create it. The spiritual dimension (mind) is not controlling the material world.</p>
<p>Neither Jesus, Paul or anyone else used techniques as imaging or visualization for prayer or healing.</p>
<p>These same concepts - manipulating the spiritual realm though images or words to influence the physical world to materialize results has been used by shamans, witch doctors and occultists for millennia.</p>
<p>As mind Science teacher Fillmore said- “<em>substance is first given form in the mind”</em>Laura Cabot, a witch calls visualization, magic, contact with unconscious materials and images occur spontaneously. Imaginative possibilities are more sharply focused... For these reasons witches do most of their magical work in alpha” (<em>Power of The Witch</em>, p. 175 Laura Cabot).</p>
<p>In the occult: the “law of manifestation,” declares that thoughts held firmly in the mind, spoken aloud, or visualized will “manifest' in the physical world. We will see the concepts and idea of visualization  is carried into the word faith teaching of speaking and confessing.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Wf8.htm" target="_blank">Pt.2 speaking things into existence</a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.letusreason.org/WF48.htm">http://www.letusreason.org/WF48.htm</a></p>
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<link>http://how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com/?p=466</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 17:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The connection between the theology of the Mormon Church and the Word of Faith Movement is obvious to anyone who has studied them both. This short article will show just a few similarities between the two.</p>
<p>THE WORD OF FAITH...and the Planet of God:</p>
<p>Kenneth Copeland tells us, "You don't think God created man in His image and created the earth in some other image, huh? There's nothing under the whole sun that's new-This is a copy of home-a copy of the mother planet. Where God lives, He made a little one just like it and put us on it." 1</p>
<p>"Heaven has a north and a south and an east and a west. Consequently, it must be a planet." 2</p>
<p>THE MORMON CHURCH...and the Planet of God:</p>
<p>God is supposed to have lived on a planet near a mysterious star called Kolob. According to Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, "Kolob means 'the first creation.' It is the name of the planet 'nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God.' ...One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth." 3</p>
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<p>THE WORD OF FAITH...and the Adam-God Doctrine:</p>
<p>Gloria Copeland, Kenneth Copeland's wife, stated, "When God breathed the breath of life into Adam, He transmitted His very self into him. God imparted the same spiritual substance of which He is made into Adam's being." 4</p>
<p>Kenneth Copeland gives his opinion, "...Adam is as much like God as you can get, just the same as Jesus, when He came into the earth. And I want you to know something; Adam in the garden of Eden was God manifested in the flesh." 5</p>
<p>THE MORMON CHURCH...and the Adam-God Doctrine:</p>
<p>Brigham Young, 2nd President of the Mormon Church tells us, "When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! About whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." 6</p>
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<p>THE WORD OF FAITH...and the Deity of Man:</p>
<p>Kenneth Copeland states, "You don't have a god in you, you are one." 7</p>
<p>According to Kenneth Hagin, "You are as much the incarnation of God as Jesus Christ was. Every man who has been born again is an incarnation and Christianity is a miracle. The believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth." 8</p>
<p>Earl Paulk in his book Satan Unmasked explains, "Adam and Eve were placed in the world as the seed and expression of God. Just as dogs have puppies and cats have kittens, so God has little gods; we have trouble comprehending this truth. Until we comprehend that we are little gods, we cannot manifest the kingdom of God." 9</p>
<p>According to Benny Hinn, "When I stand in Christ--I am one with Him; united to Him; one in spirit with Him. I am not part of Him, I am Him! The Word has become flesh in me!...When my hand touches someone, it's the hand of Jesus touching somebody." 10</p>
<p>THE MORMON CHURCH...and the Deity of Man:</p>
<p>Apostle Bruce McConkie states, "That exaltation which the saints of all ages have so devoutly sought is godhood itself." 11</p>
<p>While the Mormons actively strive for godhood, it appears that the Word of Faith Movement leaders think they have already arrived! It is ironic that the same Christians who consider Mormonism as a blasphemous cult will drive 2,000 miles in a hot bus and fall all over themselves to get close to the likes of Benny Hinn! Both cults should be treated like horseshoes straight from the blacksmith's fire. They should be examined closely and compared to Scripture, but they should be considered too hot to touch!</p>
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<p>REFERENCES:<br />
(1) Watchman Expositor (www.watchman.org), Word Faith Theology and Mormonism (from Kenneth Copeland video, Following the Faith of Abraham)<br />
(2) Hank Hanegraaff, Christianity in Crisis, 1997, p. 379<br />
(3) Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 428<br />
(4) Watchman Expositor (www.watchman.org), Word Faith Theology and Mormonism (from Gloria Copeland, Believer's Voice of Victory, June 1986, p. 10)<br />
(5) Watchman Expositor (www.watchman.org), Word Faith Theology and Mormonism (from Kenneth Copeland video, Following the Faith of Abraham)<br />
(6) Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, p. 50<br />
(7) Watchman Expositor, (www.watchman.org), Word Faith Theology and Mormonism (from Kenneth Copeland video, The Force of Love)<br />
(8) Watchman Expositor (www.watchman.org), Word Faith Theology and Mormonism (from Kenneth Hagin, Word of Faith, December 1980, p. 14)<br />
(9) Watchman Expositor (www.watchman.org), Word Faith Theology and Mormonism (from Earl Paulk, Satan Unmasked, p. 97)<br />
(10) G. Richard Fisher/M. Kurt Goedelman, The Confusing World of Benny Hinn, 1997, p. 13 (from Benny Hinn, Our Position in Christ, six-tape audiocassette series, part 1, tape #A031190-1)<br />
(11) Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 321</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.luciferlink.org/wmconnect.htm" target="_blank">http://www.luciferlink.org/wmconnect.htm </a></p>
<blockquote><p>THIS POST FROM THIS BLOG HAS AUDIO CLIPS OF MANY OF THE WORD FAITH MOVEMENT TEACHERS OWN WORDS  <a href="http://how2becomeachristian.wordpress.com/2008/09/04/word-faith-movement-heresies-on-god-in-their-own-words-audio-clips-by-h2bacinfo/"><span style="color:#2583ad;">Word Faith Movement heresies on GOD, in </span></a></p></blockquote>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usher: Deak, what if you could be inside a modern church pastor's brain - what would you really get to know about them?</p>
<p>Deacon: I sense a huge dose of sarcasm - is this going to be ugly, funny or simply "usherly"?</p>
<p>Usher: I'll finish the thought - you can do it too - send me a comment.....</p>
<p>Creflo Dollar: Give cheerfully and know that God will give to you in direct relation to what you give to Him  <strong><em>...and with the proceeds, I'll finish my new indoor pool and buy those sweet silver cupholders for my new Rolls Royce.....</em></strong></p>
<p>Richard Roberts: Dear Lord, let the people give that the storehouses will be full<strong><em>...and my golf locker will have a new pair of ostrich-skin golf shoes to match my new ostrich skin head covers....</em></strong></p>
<p>Lindsay Roberts: Lord, please help me find a scripture that justifies <strong><em>......me seeing younger men because Richard won't do anything but play golf and shop for shoes.</em></strong></p>
<p>Kenneth Copeland: We come to give to the Lord that  the world may see that God rewards a cheerful giver <strong><em>...and the champagne racks in my 20 million dollar jet will be chilled and filled!</em></strong></p>
<p>Jim Cymbala: Lord, we come to worship you today  <strong>....with the choir that my wife built!</strong></p>
<p>Joel Osteen: Lord, we pray for those airline people for a change of heart <strong><em>....because my wife deserves to be treated like a celebrity.  Don't they know who I am?</em></strong></p>
<p>Benny Hinn: Lord, heal this person's physical body  <strong><em>.....so I can get a bigger donation.  My hair transplant bill is killing me!</em></strong></p>
<p>Usher: Send in your thoughts and comments.........what is that leader really thinking?</p>
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<link>http://jabez65.wordpress.com/?p=199</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 20:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>CHE NON SI DICA CHE SONO DI PARTE!</p>
<p>Questo è un articolo (un po' datato) che dimostra come l'amore per il denaro non appartenga solo al cattolicesimo, ma che è un grosso problema anche in ambiente evangelico. La differenza è che in questo caso qualcuno, in questo caso il Senatore Charles Grassley, membro della commissione etica nel governo U.S:A. è messo nelle condizioni di intervenire e di pretendere spiegazioni riguardo l'utilizzo delle donazioni dei fedeli e dei contributi governativi in favore di queste "organizzazioni" e, se è il caso, di denunciare eventuali anomalie e sospendere le sovvenzioni. Tutto questo senza che nessuno gridi all'apostasia e si senta in diritto di avocare a sè privilegi "territoriali" di comodo o concordati vari. Nascondere questi problemi è una vergogna. Pretendere immunità in nome di ciò che si rappresenta, è uno schifo.</p>
<p><strong>2007-11-13 </strong>Washington</p>
<p><img src="http://butindaro.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/6_televangelisti.jpg?w=392&#38;h=275" border="0" alt="" hspace="5" vspace="5" width="392" height="275" align="right" />Vanno sotto la sigla di SS (Sesso e Soldi) i peggiori nemici dei televangelisti degli U.S.A., ma adesso è addirittura il Senato americano ad occuparsi del fenomeno. A voler vederci chiaro non sono i democratici, ma gli stessi repubblicani (amici storici degli evangelici conservatori), nella persona del Senatore Charles Grassley, membro della commissione etica.</p>
<p>Lunedì, Grassley ha chiesto che entro il 6 dicembre 2007 sei noti predicatori (fra loro anche due donne) presentino la loro dichiarazione dei redditi con relative ricevute/fatture e che si preparino a rispondere ad una vasta gamma di domande sul modo in cui spendono soldi sia a livello personale sia nell’ambito dell’organizzazione che rappresentano. Questi i nomi dei televangelisti eccellenti che godono di “esenzione tasse”: Paula White, Joyce Meyer, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long, Kenneth Copeland e Benny Hinn. Obiettivo dell’indagine: determinare se le loro organizzazioni stiano utilizzando soldi per vivere uno stile di vita tutt’altro che francescano. La decisione d’investigare sulla loro condotta è stata presa in seguito a lamentele inoltrate da gruppi che tengono da tempo sotto controllo organizzazioni religiose esentate da tasse. Secondo il senatore Grassley l’accusa è di “consigli d’amministrazione per nulla indipendenti che permettono stipendi generosi, contributi spese ed amenità come jet privati e Rolls Royces”.</p>
<p>Fonte:<a href="http://www.icn-news.com/index.php?do=news&#38;id=1833"> ICN-News</a>/The Christian Post<br />
<a href="http://butindaro.wordpress.com/2007/11/13/televangelistipoli-6-noti-predicatori-della-prosperita-indagati-per-probabile-uso-improprio-di-denaro/">Illuminato Butindaro</a></p>
<p>Guarda questi video:<br />
<a href="http://new.wittenburgdoor.com/grassley-talks-about-commode">Senator Grassley Talks About Joyce Meyer’s Golden Commode</a><br />
<a href="http://new.wittenburgdoor.com/ole-anthony-talks-katie-couric">Trinity Foundation Honcho Ole Anthony talks to Katie Couric about Godly Sleaze</a><br />
<a href="http://new.wittenburgdoor.com/2007-11-07-cbs-morning">Creflo Dollar Sets the Record Straight About His Rolls-Royce</a><br />
<a href="http://new.wittenburgdoor.com/2007-11-07-cnn-grassley">Senator Grassley Talks On CNN</a></p>
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<p><span>NORD AMERICA,</span> <span class="graybody">07:21:00</span></p>
<p><span class="graybody"><strong>2008-07-27</strong><br />
Ve li ricordate? Che fine ha fatto l'inchiesta del senatore battista dello Iowa Charles Grassley che, in perfetta legalità, aveva ficcato il naso negli affari di famosi televangelisti così come aveva fatto nel passato nel caso della Croce Rossa Americana? Dopo nove mesi, quattro dei sei noti personaggi continuano a rifiutarsi di consegnare tutti i libri contabili. Eccoli: Kenneth</span></p>
<p>Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long e Randy e Paula White (ex-marito e moglie).</p>
<p>Si era invece adeguata subito Joyce Meyes,  mentre Benny Hinn ha fornito risposte esaurienti.</p>
<p>I privilegiati figli della Provvidenza erano e solo accusati di avere utilizzato soldi donati alle loro associazioni non-profit per vivere una vita lussuosa. Il più cocciuto dei televangelisti è Crefo Dollar che è assistito dai suoi legali.</p>
<p>E' solo una questione di soldi, e non solo per i diretti interessati. Il senatore Grassley, che sta studiando con il suo staff la prossima mossa, ha infatti osservato: "Gli avvocati esterni alle organizzazioni in questione hanno ovviamente ogni interesse a prolungare il più possibile l'intera faccenda". Già, Dollar ci cova!</p>
<p>FONTE: <a href="http://www.icn-news.com/index.php?do=news&#38;id=4153">ICN-news</a></p>
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<link>http://evangelists.wordpress.com/?p=134</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 02:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[A friend told me there is a very important doctrine I must believe in order to &#8220;keep my salvat]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend told me there is a very important doctrine I must believe in order to "keep my salvation". It is the doctrine/belief that Jesus Christ died spiritually for three days, after He died on the cross. My response was to ask: If Jesus died spiritually, was God dead for three days?</p>
<p>Jesus Christ is God made flesh, the second person of the Godhead (The Word), fully God and fully human. Since Jesus' physical body died on the cross, what was left? His Spirit. And since He is God, how could the second person of the Godhead be DEAD for three days?</p>
<p>This doctrine has been around for a few years, perpetuated by Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, E W Kenyon, Kenneth Hagin, Frederick Price, Benny Hinn and many others from the Word/Faith movement. Jesus didn't finish the sacrifice for sin on the cross; the salvation plan was not yet completed. He had to descend into HELL AND DIE and be tormented by demons for three days. Does that doctrine hold up biblically?</p>
<p>The following is an article by <a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp105.htm" target="_blank">Mike Oppenheimer of Let Us Reason Ministries</a> that very clearly shows the unscriptural nature of this heresy:</p>
<h3 style="text-align:center;">Did Jesus descend into Hell or Hades after he died on the cross?</h3>
<blockquote><p>While on the cross for three hours, after all the sins were laid upon him Jesus cried out that God forsook him (looked away, breaking fellowship). After nearly 6 hours on the cross Jesus said that He entrusted His spirit into the Fathers hands before He died. He was totally restored before He died. His Spirit was not committed into anyone’s hands, but the Father’s.</p>
<p>So there is no possibility of him going to hell for any reason of completing the sacrifice or punishment. He did finish on the cross everything that was needed for salvation. If Jesus went to Hell this means the Father did not accept His sacrifice, but instead rejected it.</p>
<p>While Jesus was on the cross He promised the thief on the cross next to him that he would be with Him in paradise that very day (Luke 23:43). If the thief was not in paradise with Him but would have entered into suffering with Jesus and Jesus lied. Paradise was still in the earth called Abrahams bosom until Christ raised and went to heaven (then he took those saints with him to heaven Eph.4:8).</p>
<p>The Bible-Acts 2:27, “<em>For <span style="text-decoration:underline;">you will not leave my soul in Hades</span>, nor will you allow your Holy One to see corruption.</em>” Peter repeats himself just a few verses later in Acts 2:31: “<em>His soul was not left in Hell</em> (actual word is Hades), <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">nor did his flesh did see corruption</span>.</em>”</p>
<p>Notice it says neither soul nor body saw corruption (decay). If he was a sinner would mean He did see corruption. The verse quoted by Peter is Psalm 16:10. Some Bible versions use the word hell; a more accurate translation would be Sheol. In Hebrew, this encompasses the place for both the righteous and unrighteous that have died. Sheol is used 65 times in the Old Testament; rarely is it used to denote a place of torment (Luke 16:23 is one of the rare scriptures in the New Testament). The customary meaning is realm of the dead, meaning the state of death or the grave (Genesis 37:35; 1 Samuel 2:6; Psalm 141:7).</p>
<p>The New Testament Greek equivalent is Hades, and gives us a more detailed explanation of the realm of the dead. It is divided into two compartments; on one side is Abraham's bosom for the righteous, on the other side is what we call hell, which Jesus said: “<em>was prepared for the devil and his angels</em>” (Matthew 25:41). We find in Luke 16:23, 25 that in Hades there is a place of punishment (called Hell), and a place of rest, (Abraham’s bosom), depending on which side you are on. The context should bear it out. If Jesus went to hell for any amount of time as a punishment then the cross was insufficient for our redemption.</p>
<p>For example in 1 Cor 15:55: "<em>O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?</em>"</p>
<p>The Greek word for both death and Hades is thanatos (properly, an adjective used as a noun) death (literally or figuratively)</p>
<p>In Rev. 1:18 "<em>I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Hades and of Death</span></em>.”</p>
<p>The word for death is <em>thanatos</em>, Hades is <em>haides</em> in Greek, from 1 (as negative particle) and 1492; properly, unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls: KJV-- grave, hell.</p>
<p>What actually did happen to Jesus’ spirit? We know He committed His spirit to God. I Peter 3:18 states, “For Christ also <span style="text-decoration:underline;">suffered once for sins</span>, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being <em>put to death in the flesh</em>, but quickened (made alive) by the Spirit.” Christ died in body only (put to death in the sphere of the flesh), not the spirit. And continued to exist in spirit, just as He did before He came to earth. His existence in His earthly life ended but He continued His life existing in the spirit inside the earth, in Hades, before He resurrected.</p>
<p>It is His flesh that was made alive again, resurrected. Christ died in body only. We can prove this by 1 Peter 3:19-20: “<em>By whom also <span style="text-decoration:underline;">He went and preached to the spirits in prison</span>, who formerly were disobedient, when once the divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah...</em>” This event occurred between Christ’s death and resurrection. Jesus went to those who were believers and presented his victory at the cross. He also went to those that were incarcerated from the time of the flood. The word for “preach” is Kerysso in Greek, meaning to proclaim or announce (judgment). This is different then to evangelize and proclaim the good news of reconciliation for salvation, which is used in 1 Peter 4:6. This proclamation was directed to either the fallen angels or the human souls that died in the flood or both (Jude 6; 2 Peter 2:4). Announcing to them their judgment is imminent, as he had just come from the victory on the cross.</p>
<p>Again Hades, Sheol encompasses the whole realm of the dead and the context must bear out what it says.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp105.htm">http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp105.htm</a></p>
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<description><![CDATA[Deacon: Usher, I got a call, a very threatening one I might add, claiming that you are seeking simpl]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deacon: Usher, I got a call, a very threatening one I might add, claiming that you are seeking simply to "tear down and destroy" the church.  No church is perfect, so why do you go to such ends to derail an imperfect vessel?</p>
<p>Usher: Everything is imperfect Deak, so are you saying one shouldn't speak out against anything because it's all imperfect?</p>
<p>Deacon: Be reasonable Usher.  You are attacking people and their attempt to obey the word and follow God in the best way they know how.</p>
<p>Usher: So if they are being led about by those who are simply out for your money to pay for their exravagant lifestyles (as in Creflo admitted he lives an extravagant lifestyle but see no wrong in it), we should just let them keep on giving while their houses are foreclosed on and they end up being a ward of the state and its social system?  Tell me what scriptures ratify that type of thinking?</p>
<p>Deacon: But people don't see it as an attack on the church, they take it personal.</p>
<p>Usher: If the shoe fits, wear it.  If you're the pastor taking their money, then fess up and stop! If you're the sheep funding their preposterous and often lascivious lifestyle, then you fess up and stop!  Both parties are wrong, the system is wrong and so let it be challenged.  And about your "best way they know how", here's my response - "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".</p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Brand of "Jesus"]]></title>
<link>http://deaconandusher.wordpress.com/?p=534</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Deacon</dc:creator>
<guid>http://deaconandusher.wordpress.com/2008/09/12/the-brand-of-jesus/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Usher: Hey Deak, don&#8217;t you pity the poor souls who buy into the rhetoric of the mainstream chu]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usher: Hey Deak, don't you pity the poor souls who buy into the rhetoric of the mainstream church? Especially the young ones who call themselves "church planters" who work for big old institutions.</p>
<p>Deacon: Kinda. But not really.  They're too young to know any better and they don't seem to want to do the due diligence it takes to find out that the organization they're in is simply marketing the institution, not making disciples. </p>
<p>Usher: It really is just like America and the whole American Dream.  It's just that they're using the brand of "Jesus" instead of Coca Cola or Pepsi or Marlboro.</p>
<p>Deacon: And interestingly enough, they see no wrong in it.  They seem to think that "marketing" is making disciples.  But in reality, it's so different. </p>
<p>Usher: They're no better than "Carney Barkers" selling tickets to see the 2-headed, 5-arm lady.  Except in this case, the 2-headed lady is Benny Hinn, Richard Roberts, Kenny Copeland, Rick Warren...</p>
<p>Deacon: Usher, stop. You're overdoing it man!  You gotta stop blasting the televangelists!  They need to eat their caviar, take their vacations and put fuel in their private jets too!</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Jeremiah Wright's Adultery With A White Woman Is An Example Of 1 Timothy 6 False Doctrine Leads To Sexual Immorality!]]></title>
<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/?p=3604</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Job</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[My position is that 1 Timothy 6:1-10 can be interpreted as stating that false doctrines lead to sexu]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My position is that 1 Timothy 6:1-10 can be interpreted as stating that false doctrines lead to sexual immorality in those that preach the doctrines and those that hear them. In my opinion, false doctrines are one of the main reasons why there are all these sex scandals in the church, and evidence of correlation between devil's doctrines and sexual immorality is present in the New Testament, <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=53&#38;chapter=5&#38;verse=1&#38;version=9&#38;context=verse" target="_blank">in the church at Corinth in particular</a>. </p>
<p>So here is the text of 1 Timothy 6:1-10:</p>
<blockquote><p>All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against. Those who have believers as their masters must not be disrespectful to them because they are brethren, but must serve them all the more, because those who partake of the benefit are believers and beloved Teach and preach these principles. If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. But godliness actually is a means of great gain when accompanied by contentment. For we have brought nothing into the world, so we cannot take anything out of it either. If we have food and covering, with these we shall be content. But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. </p></blockquote>
<p>Now I first made the correlation between sexual immorality and the prosperity doctrine after reading this passage after <a href="http://realanswers.net" target="_blank">radio minister/teacher Bob George</a> referenced 1 Timothy 6 in response to a question whether it was acceptable to listen to Kenneth Copeland, Fred Price, and other prosperity doctrine teachers (of course George's answer was an emphatic no) on his nationwide call in radio show. How does this relate to Jeremiah Wright? Well first of all, Wright's liberation theology teachings are really no different from the prosperity doctrine. Both center around getting Christians to de - emphasize the promise of spiritual blessings and eternal life in favor of an emphasis of earthly things, whether wealth and health in the prosperity doctrine or seeking political changes that will result in favorable economic conditions for minorities and workers via liberation theology. Just as the extreme version of the prosperity doctrine, the Word of Faith, teaches that God has abdicated His throne with respect to the rule of creation to man, first to Adam and then to the church, the true version of liberation theology denies the actual existence of heaven and the lake of fire, claiming that they are metaphors for political, economic, and social conditions on earth. It is no small coincidence then that liberation theology thought that is so prominent among the religious left that is so influential in the Democratic Party (please remember that Bill Clinton hosted Jeremiah Wright at the White House!) in both the white left as represented by mainline Protestant denominations and liberal Roman Catholics and the black left as represented by the civil rights movement (please recall that <a href="http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2007/08/15/proof-from-his-own-writings-that-martin-luther-king-jr-was-not-a-christian/" target="_blank">Martin Luther King, Jr. rejectd the virgin birth, deity, and resurrection of Jesus Christ</a> and hence <a href="http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/mlk_jr.htm" target="_blank">cannot be </a><a href="http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/mlk_jr.htm" target="_blank">considered as having been a Christian in any sense</a>) has as its correlation the prosperity/Word of Faith doctrines in the form of figures like John Hagee, Rod Parsley, and Pat Robertson that are so influential in the Republican Party (and please recall Mike Huckabee's attempts to bring Kenneth Copeland into the fold as well). If you want more evidence that the two parties merely represent faces on the same wicked coin that may look different but in truth are part of the same entity and joined in the middle, there you go! </p>
<p>Continuing, when reading that passage more, I formed the opinion that all false doctrines, not just the prosperity doctrine, lead to immorality in general with sexual immorality being just one. As a matter of fact, associating that godliness is gain and predatory destructive unnatural sexual behavior are just symptoms of the larger spiritual, mental, and character issues that go with one having a reprobate mind.</p>
<p>And this brings us back to this Jeremiah Wright fellow. The fellow was already "married" to another man's wife that he exploited and abused his position of marriage counselor to get a woman in a troubled marriage to leave her husband so that he could marry her shortly after: <a title="Permanent Link to Jeremiah Wright’s Adulterous Marriage" rel="bookmark" href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/05/05/j-wrong-adulterous-marriage/" target="_blank">Jeremiah Wright’s Adulterous Marriage</a>. This uses as source material in part <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/05042008/news/nationalnews/baracks_rev__stole_a_wife_109298.htm" target="_blank">BARACK’S REV. ‘STOLE A WIFE’ - EX-HUBBY: HE COUNSELED US, THEN WED HER.</a> (Did his congregation care? Of course not.) Well now this: Jeremiah Wright committed adultery with the wife of a pastor, resulting in the dissolution of the marriage. <a title="Rev. Jeremiah Wright Has Affair With Another Man’s Wife" rel="bookmark" href="http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/09/report-jeremiah-wright-has-affair-with-another-mans-wife/" target="_blank">REPORT: REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT HAS AFFAIR WITH ANOTHER MAN’S WIFE</a>. (It would appear that this pastor was another teacher of false doctrine, <a href="http://www.independentconservative.com/2008/09/10/frederick_haynes_lies/" target="_blank">and also one who uses the same trick of claiming to have degrees that he does not have</a>. By the way, Jamal - Harrison Bryant also claimed the same phony degree from the same place, which only offers certificates from some summer training program and not doctorates, and Bryant, who is leading the charge to bring the prosperity doctrine into the same African Methodist Episcopal denomination that James Cone was a member of when he created black liberation theology - small world isn't it - <a href="http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/aggregator.php?entry=499114" target="_blank">is also documented and proven to be sexually immoral</a>. ) And guess what: Wright used the time dishonored "I will leave my wife for you" trick on his prey.</p>
<p>Now make no mistake, Fox News and the New York Post have an agenda. These operations are owned by the world's biggest pornographer Rupert Murdoch whose pastor is Rick Warren (<a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&#38;pageId=41520" target="_blank">who asserts that Murdoch is a born again Christian!</a>), who tells his church members to use sexual titillation in order to win converts (see <a href="http://herescope.blogspot.com/2007/04/touch-it-with-match.html" target="_blank">here</a> and <a href="http://herescope.blogspot.com/2007/04/dopamine-driven-church.html" target="_blank">here</a>) and is not above <a href="http://www.alittleleaven.com/2007/03/shaking_it_for__1.html" target="_blank">using teen girls performing sexually suggestive dances to please his audience</a> like Herod's daughter did before demanding the head of John the Baptist for her mother (read Matthew 14) during "praise and worship service." Of course, Warren's false New Age "God wants to make you feel all good and happy" doctrines are not at all distinct from Joel Osteen's brand of prosperity teaching. Back to Fox News and the New York Post, their agenda is to influence the upcoming presidential election. </p>
<p>Me, I do not share that agenda. I could care less who you vote for. As a matter of fact, my position is that Christians should vote for NEITHER. <a href="http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/barack-obama-and-john-the-mccain-the-lesser-of-two-evils-is-still-evil/" target="_blank">The video in this link from Pastor Slattery illustrates why I have this position</a>. Instead, my agenda is to tell Christians to flee these false doctrines, for they do in fact destroy people's lives. As far as this Obama person goes in general, <a href="http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/2007/11/13/pastors-keep-obama-balaam-out-of-your-pulpit/" target="_blank">it really does appear that he has been recruiting as many degenerate pastors as McCain has</a>, if not more. Here is <a href="http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?s=obama" target="_blank">one good site on that issue</a>. The strait gate is not through the Democratic or Republican Party (or Green or Socialist or Communist or Constitution or Libertarian or Labour or Tory or Christian Democrats or Kadima or Likud) but through belief in and obedience to the Jesus Christ of the Bible through right belief (orthodoxy) and right behavior (orthopraxy). The sad case of Jeremiah Wright's adultery is just one evidence among many of what happens when pastors and their followers that reject right belief in their teaching ... right behavior inevitably exits as well.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[A Massive Collection Of False Prophet Links By Church Warnings]]></title>
<link>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/?p=3602</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 15:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Job</dc:creator>
<guid>http://healtheland.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/a-massive-collection-of-false-prophet-links-by-church-warnings/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Original link at Church Warnings. Great stuff if you have the time &#8230; and I know you do. EASTER]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Original link at <a href="http://churchwarnings.blogspot.com/2008/09/false-prophets-articles-on-eastern.html" target="_blank">Church Warnings</a>. Great stuff if you have the time ... and I know you do. EASTERN REGIONAL WATCH<br />
<a href="http://www.erwm.com/FalseProphets.htm">http://www.erwm.com/FalseProphets.htm</a></p>
<p>False Prophets</p>
<p><a href="http://users.stargate.net/~ejt/strange9.htm">False Prophets - Strange Fire</a> - Jewel Grewe</p>
<p><a href="http://www.letusreason.org/Latrain23.htm">When A Prophet Speaks and His Words DO NOT Come to Pass</a> - Mike Oppenheimer, Let Us Reason</p>
<p><a href="http://www.faithissues.ca/apologetics/TheProphetic/BaalOgnaofFalseProphets.asp">Baal-ogna! Wrong Source For the Prophet</a> - Carolyn Chapman, Faith Issues</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thechristian