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<title><![CDATA[Rediscovering the Psalms]]></title>
<link>http://shawnanderson.wordpress.com/?p=79</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[Joe Holland wrote an article over at Reformation 21 about how the Evangelical Church is rediscoverin]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;"><a><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Psalm_1_metrical_1628.jpg" alt="" width="142" height="318" /></a>Joe Holland wrote an article over at <strong><a href="http://www.reformation21.org/articles/rediscovering-the-psalms.php" target="_blank">Reformation 21</a></strong> about how the Evangelical Church is rediscovering the Psalms. In fact there is a <strong><a href="http://worshipgodconference.com/" target="_blank">worship conference</a></strong> this year that has this as its main theme.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In this article, Joe explains how he was introduced to Psalm singing. He explains the benefits of Psalm singing and then direction on how to learn to sing Psalms. Finally he makes an observation about the use of hymns and psalms in the church.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">You can check out Joe's blog, <strong><em>Mining Grace</em>, <a href="http://mininggrace.com/" target="_blank">HERE</a></strong>. I'm sure I will be drawing from other articles of his as well. He posts on a host of helpful and relevant topics (like his daily Bible reading considerations).</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">You can check out his article, <strong><em>Rediscovering the Psalms</em>, <a href="http://www.reformation21.org/articles/rediscovering-the-psalms.php" target="_blank">HERE</a></strong>.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In conclusion of this post I'd like to share how I was introduced to Psalm singing.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">In 1998 I moved to Grand Rapids, MI, to attend a Bible College. I recall sitting next to a guy Randall Pederson, who <em>always</em> had a Puritan book with him (and who later co-authored, <strong>Meet the Puritans</strong>, with Dr. Beeke). Starving for good preaching, since I attended a church that was going through a 10-part series on Y2K and Left Behind, I asked him where he worshipped. He was a member of the Heritage Netherlands Reformed Church. I decided to visit, and not only was I convicted by the preaching, but when it came time to worship in song, I noticed in their "hymnbook" that it was a Psalm - an imprecatory Psalm at that, Ps. 83! Not only was it a novel idea to me at the time to sing Scripture, but my heart swelled as we called upon the Lord to "<em>smite Thy enemies today who in their pride combine!</em>" And how fitting was this, for Dr. Beeke's text was Matt 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; <span style="text-decoration:underline;">and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it</span>." The Psalms were relevant to the promise of Christ, and the Church was acknowledging Christ's power against His enemies even today. This was much more powerful, more fitting, more biblical than "<em>Lord I Lift Your Name on High</em>." And so my first experience was both a worship and a reflective experience.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">The next week I visited another church through a mutual friend and here too they used the Psalms. This church was seeking to make a transition to exclusive psalmody which I had never heard of. There was a series preached on worship, by Rev. Ray Lanning (who is my minister today). He was explaining the Biblical doctrine of worship from 2 Kings 17. How God carried the Northern Kingdom into exhile mainly because they had introduced innovations to His prescribed worship for them. When the Assyrian king allowed other Gentiles to move into the Northern territory, God used lions to devour some of them. Wanting to know what manner of God this was they inquired of the Assyrian king, who sent the Jewish priests to go teach them how to worship their God. Well they of course taught them the wrong way, and so the writer sarcastically states that "<em>these nations feared the LORD, and served their graven images, both their children, and their children's children: as did their fathers, so do they unto this day.</em>" Well of course this was the institution of Samaritan worship, which Jesus rebukes in John 4, when He says to the Samaritan woman at the well, "<em>Ye worship ye know not what.</em>"</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Rev. Lanning wrote an article as well on Psalm singing in the New Testament, drawing from the texts Eph 5:19, and Col 3:16. I then understood the context and content of these passages. Psalm singing was consistent in the New Testament with the ordinance in the Old Testament. My second experience was borth an educational  and enlightened experience.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">I am thankful for the inspired Hymnbook that the Lord has given to His Church, and Lord willing this will be a theme I take on this week at <em>Endeavoring Relevant Progress</em>.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Movie Review on "Jesus Camp": Preaching sin-consciousness extremely]]></title>
<link>http://yflcsandi.wordpress.com/?p=476</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>yflcsandi</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[My comment at Flixster got so lengthy I decided to blog about it. Jesus Camps is a documentary movie]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment at Flixster got so lengthy I decided to blog about it. Jesus Camps is a documentary movie focusing on a Evangelical Church in Missouri and then highlighting the events at their church kid's camp. </p>
<p>I wanted to watch this because I was a baby christian. Turns out this movie scared the hell out of me. If I was asked to be reborn from the message in the movie, I would rather kill myself. There was a scene where Pastor Becky Fischer welcome her group of campkids with a condemning message and the next day, put up powerpoint slides like "SIN" in uppercase Arial red font, and "THE PUNISHMENT FOR SIN IS DEATH". She said to the camera, "There is a font that is bloody and red... " She found that font and was so pleased with her "work"! Seriously, if anyone wants to know Jesus better, "Joseph Prince" would be the person to look up. Seeing the scenes in the movie was just like attending a service in America all over again, except the message was like glaring down at me. It's so horrid.</p>
<p><img src='http://my247.com.au/247venue_images/8037-2007319-Jesus%20Camp%20Large.jpg' alt='Becky Fischer' class='alignnone' /></p>
<p>It was after many days that i heard from my pastor's video, "In many places, it seems like it is the purpose of the preacher to put as many people under condemnation or sin condemnation consciousness so that they cry, they wail before God, and they are really <!--more-->(feeling) condemned, and he (the preacher) feels good to affect people like that. He feels like, to help people be conscious of sin is to help them be conscious of God. Nothing could be further from the truth!" </p>
<p>When I heard this, my thoughts went to Jesus Camp immediately. My pastor was describing the scene exactly as it was. To Non-Christians, the sobbing and wailing of church members may be puzzling or even terrifyingly abusive, but to Christians of that church, it was perfectly normal, and they were perfectly willing to undergo it. No wonder the string of non-Christian commentators on Flixster got so afraid and even called us (Christians) lunatics or similar. </p>
<p>In the movie, a young boy named Levi who had such an outstanding character and maturity and possibly his appearance stood out too (long-tailed hair), was called to guest-preach in one of the evenings of the kids camp. He preached Jesus! He preached Jesus as a protector...as a savior. The crowd cheered and clapped. I wonder if Becky Fischer saw the contrast in her audience's reactions.</p>
<p><img src='http://www.mcnblogs.com/mcindie/archives/images/JesusCamp_levi_450.jpg' alt='Levi, Jesus Camp' class='alignnone' /></p>
<p>I remembered a very disturbing scene when Becky Fischer took the camera crew into her office and showed them some plastic toys. "This is Adam, this is Eve," she pointed to 2 Barbie dolls, Ken and Barbie). She said the kids these days are very visual and impressionable, and that these Barbie dolls, naked and covered with some plastic green leaves were used to reenact the fall of mankind when "Ken" (as Adam) ate the forbidden fruit. Oh My God! How sad can that be! Instead of telling us how Jesus had saved the world with one death, she chooses to tell to her kids, over and over again, how the fall of Adam had cursed the whole world. Cursing especially the Christians. (Because now that they know...) <b>More--</b>she took out one of those stretchy rubber toys, this particular one shaped in a hand with a very long arm. She then flicked the rubber toy to a plastic brain mold sitting on a shelf nearby. She flicked a few times before it was successfully caught on the brain mold. She said, "See how dirty ideas stick to your brain like nasty stickies" and said this is for demonstrating to the kids that a dirty thought can persist in your mind very easily, so it should not be left to fester. I think this is just pure sick.</p>
<p>Watch Pastor Prince short clip:</p>
<p>[googlevideo=http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8971621632253779842]</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newcreation.org.sg/">New Creation Church, Singapore</a><br />
<a href="http://www.josephprince.org/index.asp">Joseph Prince Ministries, International</a><br />
<a href="http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=5718674446">Joseph Prince Ministries, Facebook</a><br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/JosephPrinceMedia">Joseph Prince Media, YouTube</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Barack Obama : TD Jakes : Rick Warren : Thoughts? ]]></title>
<link>http://juliapalermo.wordpress.com/?p=106</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>julia</dc:creator>
<guid>http://juliapalermo.wordpress.com/?p=106</guid>
<description><![CDATA[My thoughts on the following article?
&#8220;Do two walk together unless they have agreed to meet?]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts on the following article?</p>
<p>"Do two walk together unless they have agreed to meet?" Amos 3:7</p>
<p>I am tired of people saying that we must reach across and shake hands for the sake of a better good. Yes, we should help those in need, especially those suffering from a horrific disease like HIV/AIDS. However, do we relax our hold on truth and righteousness to do so? I don't think so.</p>
<p>No amount of money or publicity for my Christian charity could cause me to partner with someone who is fully committed to continuing to allow the murder of millions of unborn babies and even go further in allowing partial birth abortion.</p>
<p>Agreeing to disagree may be ok on small "gnat" issues for the sake of unity in the Body of Christ but as a general rule, there is no unity between light and darkness. It saddens me to see such leaders in the Body of Christ turn their eyes away from the serious issue of abortion which has caused bloodguilt on our land and be swept away by the charisma of a Presidential Canidate and possible publicity by being connected with him.</p>
<p>Here’s a <a href="http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070625/28158_Obama_Points_to_Rick_Warren,_T.D._Jakes_as_Models_for_Faith-Driven_Action.htm" target="_blank">ChristianPost.com article</a>:</p>
<p>  Prominent Christian leaders such as Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes were praised by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) this weekend as role models of Christians who put their faith into action.<a href="http://juliapalermo.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/barack-obama.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-107" src="http://juliapalermo.wordpress.com/files/2008/06/barack-obama.jpg?w=231" alt="" width="231" height="175" /></a></p>
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<p> In his first speech on the intersection of faith and politics as a presidential contender, Obama discussed how religion should inspire people across the Christian spectrum to unite in helping to eradicate social problems rather than divide them.</p></div>
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<p> “I’m hopeful because I think there’s an awakening taking place in America,” said Obama on Saturday at the United Church of Christ’s 50th anniversary convention. “People are coming together around a simple truth – that we are all connected, that I am my brother’s keeper; I am my sister’s keeper.”</p></div>
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<p> During his speech to a crowd of nearly 10,000 people, the senator, a member of Trinity UCC in Chicago, criticized division within the Church, but praised Christian leaders and groups that have worked together to remedy social problems.</p></div>
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<p> “That’s why pastors, friends of mine like Rick Warren and T.D. Jakes and organizations like World Vision and Catholic Charities are wielding their enormous influence to confront poverty, HIV/AIDS, and the genocide in Darfur,” Obama said.</p></div>
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<p> Dr. Rick Warren, senior pastor of Saddleback Church in California, had invited Obama to his church’s HIV/AIDS conference last winter despite vehement protests by pro-life groups that urged the megachurch pastor to rescind his invitation because of the senator’s pro-choice stance. Warren had refused to uninvite Obama, explaining that he wanted the Church to work together on the HIV/AIDS crisis despite their personal differences on other issues.</p></div>
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<p> “I’m hearing from evangelicals who may not agree with progressives on every issue but agree that poverty has no place in a world of plenty; that hate has no place in the hearts of believers; and that we all have to be good stewards of God’s creations,” said Obama.</p></div>
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<p> “From Willow Creek to the ‘emerging church,’ from the Southern Baptist Convention to the National Association of Evangelicals, folks are realizing that the four walls of the church are too small for a big God. ‘God is still speaking,’” the senator added, citing the motto of UCC’s media branding campaign.</p></div>
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<p> Obama also talked about health care, the genocide in Darfur, Guantanamo Bay, Iraq, and the controversial immigration bill.</p></div>
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<p> The UCC, which celebrated its 50th anniversary on Saturday, is holding its biennial General Synod in Hartford, Conn., June 22-26. The liberal denomination, which prides itself on being the first denomination to ordain openly gay and lesbian ministers, emphasizes progressive causes and also began to endorse same-sex “marriage” starting in 2005 - a decision which caused a rift in the denomination and the departure of about 100 churches from the UCC.</p></div>
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<p> Last year, according to the Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches, UCC faced a 3.8 percent membership drop in the 1.2 million-member church body. Donations from church members to the UCC’s national offices and regional conferences also decreased by more than $2 million in 2006, according to the church’s annual report.</p></div>
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<p>What are your thoughts?</p></div>
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<title><![CDATA[The Nature of the Church]]></title>
<link>http://beads576.wordpress.com/?p=39</link>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Bob B.</dc:creator>
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“The church is at once a very familiar and a very misunderstood topic&#8230; [This] misunderst]]></description>
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<p><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">“The church is at once a very familiar and a very misunderstood topic... [This] misunderstanding results from the multiple usages of the term <em>church</em>” on one level and on “a more profound level – a lack of understanding of the basic nature of the church.”</span><a name="_ftnref1" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftn1"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:12pt;">[1]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;"> Both the Old and New Testaments use words which when translated variously describe the church to be:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-0.3in;margin:0 0 0 0.6in;"><span style="font-family:Symbol;"><span><span style="font-size:small;">¨</span><span style="font:7pt;">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Individuals or groups called together by God, for His purpose.</span><a name="_ftnref2" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftn2"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:12pt;">[2]</span></span></span></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-0.3in;margin:0 0 0 0.6in;"><span style="font-family:Symbol;"><span><span style="font-size:small;">¨</span><span style="font:7pt;">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">The location or structure where those who are called together actually meet.</span><a name="_ftnref3" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftn3"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:12pt;">[3]</span></span></span></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-0.3in;margin:0 0 0 0.6in;"><span style="font-family:Symbol;"><span><span style="font-size:small;">¨</span><span style="font:7pt;">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">Multiple, independent groups meeting in places such as a town or a region.</span><a name="_ftnref4" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftn4"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:12pt;">[4]</span></span></span></span></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:-0.3in;margin:0 0 0 0.6in;"><span style="font-family:Symbol;"><span><span style="font-size:small;">¨</span><span style="font:7pt;">         </span></span></span><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">All of the individuals, throughout the whole world, including those living, dead, and yet to be born, who God has called to salvation through Christ Jesus.</span><a name="_ftnref5" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftn5"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:12pt;">[5]</span></span></span></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">What is common to each of these ideas for the word <em>church</em> is the concept<!--more--> of “calling out for the purpose of gathering.”</span><a name="_ftnref6" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftn6"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:12pt;">[6]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;"> While the root words in the Greek and Hebrew are general terms and do not specifically refer to religious gatherings, two things become clear in their Biblical use. It is God who is doing the calling and this calling is for His greater glory. While we certainly benefit from His calling, the implication and reality is that the church is not about me. The church is all about our Triune God, for “there is no church apart from the redemptive work of Christ and from the renewing operation of the Holy Spirit.”</span><a name="_ftnref7" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftn7"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:12pt;">[7]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">In the narrative of the first mega-church, God called Israel out of bondage in Egypt to meet with Him and worship Him at Mount Sinai. Today, God still calls people out of bondage and into the worshiping assembly of the church. As His called people, God gave Israel the mission to be an example and witness to other nations of His power and glory. He has called the church of today for the same purpose. We are still God’s chosen people, called together to worship the LORD and to be a witness of His saving power and glory to those around us. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;">There is one significant difference however between the church of the Old Testament and the church today. While Israel relied upon the ritual of the Law and the <em>promise</em> of a Messiah for salvation, the church today “may walk in the full light provided by Him who is the Son of God… and who on the day of Pentecost made good His promise to grant unto His church the Spirit of truth.”</span><a name="_ftnref8" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftn8"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:12pt;">[8]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:small;font-family:Times New Roman;"> Pentecost is the defining moment for the church. From that day onward the Holy Spirit has been poured out on each and every believer as an empowering presence of the living God, enabling us to be the church as never before. The church is the body of believers in Christ, called by God to gather for His glory, and empowered by the Holy Spirit to fulfill the mission He has called us to fulfill. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin:0;"><a name="_ftn1" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftnref1"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;">[1]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span>  </span>Millard J. Erickson, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Christian Theology</span>, 2<sup>nd</sup> edition, 1983, Baker Academic, Grand Rapids, MI. p. 1036, 1037.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin:0;"><a name="_ftn2" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftnref2"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;">[2]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span>  </span><em>Ekklesia</em> (Greek) and <em>Qahal</em> (Hebrew) both meaning “called out for gathering.” How these came to be called “church” might be an interesting historical search. It seems to me that the better term might be “gathered ones” or congregation. In fact, some English Bible translations have used congregation or assembly instead of church.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin:0;"><a name="_ftn3" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftnref3"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;">[3]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span>  </span><em>Kuriake</em> (Greek) and <em>Sunagoge</em> (Hebrew) both implying by their use a place set apart for God’s use. For example, the bricks and mortar which we call Rhawnhurst Presbyterian Church. Because of our broad use of the word “church,” some have given to the building a greater importance than it deserves. The building does not become the church until the congregation has gathered therein. As one pastor noted following the destruction of his church due to a fire, “the building is the not the church. The people are the church.”</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin:0;"><a name="_ftn4" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftnref4"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;">[4]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span>  </span>For example, the church in Aquila and Priscilla’s home, the church at Rome, the Church in China, or PC(USA).</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin:0;"><a name="_ftn5" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftnref5"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;">[5]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span>  </span>See Louis Berkhoff, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Systematic Theology,</span> R. B. Kuiper, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">The Glorious Body of Christ</span>, and Wayne Grudem, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Systematic Theology</span> for a full development of the concept of the universal church.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin:0;"><a name="_ftn6" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftnref6"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;">[6]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span>  </span>See Berkhoff, et al for a fuller exegesis of the Greek and Hebrew.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoFootnoteText" style="margin:0;"><a name="_ftn7" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/#_ftnref7"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span><span class="MsoFootnoteReference"><span style="font-size:10pt;">[7]</span></span></span></span></a><span style="font-size:x-small;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span>  </span>Louis Berkhoff, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Systematic Theology</span>, 1938, Combined 1996 Edition, Eerdmans, Grand Rapids, MI, p. 553.</span></span></p>
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<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m currently reading a book for my theology class called &#8220;God in the wasteland: The rea]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm currently reading a book for my theology class called "God in the wasteland: The reality of truth in a world of fading dreams". It's about how God in modernity and now even more so in post modernity has been marginalized and as the author says, "Made weightless". His truth and his presence carry no weight, no importance for us. Modern Christianity has been reduced to a psychology of self and we have lost the emphasis on the holiness of God. An increase in personal rights and a reduction in personal responsibility have rendered God simply a celestial slot machine where we expect a payout. I have to write a critique for the class so I won't do that here but as I've read about the author's assessment of modern Christianity in the 21st century I wonder what kind of theology I will help my kids understand. What kind of God will I help them to believe in? The answer is not so simple as, "the God of the Bible." The God of the bible has been so misconstrued and so badly abused I fear that who we worship in the contemporary Evangelical church is merely a shadow of what He wants to be in our minds. He is a God that is very near to us but we have forgotten that he is a God who is "wholly other" as the theologians put it. He is transcendent and so far beyond and above us that to think we can boil him down and comprehend anything about him is folly. He is separate and holy and awesome and we have forgotten that. A good example of this is what is happening in <em>some </em>parts of the new evangelical movement. (I am careful not to lump them all together) For some, the truth of God needs to be reinterpreted for a changing culture. I agree to some extent but where I draw the line is when we begin to think that God has somehow changed the rules or changed <em>himself</em> to adapt to a changing culture. God is the same always. He still demands holiness. He still demands separation from the world. He still points us to the cross of His Son for salvation. He still demands repentance.</p>
<p>I think ahead and wonder, what will the church of 2020 be preaching and teaching? Will they cling to truth or will the watering down and domesticating of God continue? What theology will my children know and understand? It starts with what I teach them.</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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As I continue to work my way through 1 John I am repeatedly struck by the way John weaves togethe]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-374" style="float:right;" src="http://wdennisgriffith.wordpress.com/files/2008/04/heart-2.jpg" alt="" width="116" height="114" />As I continue to work my way through 1 John I am repeatedly struck by the way John weaves together several themes, yet seems to keep a single idea in focus.<span>  </span>John writes to help the reader understand how we may know God – <em>that</em> we may know God.<span>  </span>Yet throughout the letter he calls us to holiness and love.<span>  </span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">At the same time I am working through 1 John, the leaders of our church are working through a process to discern the identity, mission, and vision for Walnut Hill Church.<span>  </span>Having gone through this process with other churches I realize that most of what we come up with will be attributes that are shared by many faithful churches, though there are also certainly things that are unique to us.<span>  </span>These unique items are those gifts and passions God has granted to this church – as he does to all churches. It is our God-given personality.<span>  </span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">In my mind these two things are converging: Our vision &#38; mission, and John’s words to Christ’s church.<span>  </span>And thinking about them together reminded me about a brief work by Francis Schaeffer, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><a href="http://www.rationalpi.com/theshelter/mark.html">The Mark of the Christian</a></span></em>.<span>  </span>This work challenged my thinking a few years ago, and to some degree, I hope, it has shaped me personally, and therefore has shaped my ministry.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Schaeffer suggests that Christians have always looked for ways to distinguish themselves, by symbols and marks. However there is one mark that has persevered through all generations as the genuine mark of Christianity, and therefore the Church: Love.<span>  </span>Schaeffer points out that Christ ordained this to be an enduring and authoritative mark. He asserts that Christ has made this mark so reflective that the absence of it gives the world the right to judge that someone is not a Christian!<span>  </span>By extension then, the world would have the right to judge that a church is not truly Christian if Love is not pervasive.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Love for one another is pervasive at Walnut Hill.<span>  </span>What we are trying to discover, however, is how we might more openly express that love to the community, and world, around us.<span>  </span>Such expression is not absent, but we want to be more deliberate.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">I’ve re-read <a href="http://www.rationalpi.com/theshelter/mark.html"><em>The Mark of the Christian</em> </a>a couple times this week.<span>  </span>And now I’ve decided to publish it in a multi-part series over the next few weeks.<span>  </span>It is a work worth considering, and any attempt I make to summarize would be woefully inadequate.</span></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[The Necessity of the Church]]></title>
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<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Bob B.</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Having renounced involvement in the church[1] for a number of years, I know that it is impossible to]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having renounced involvement in the church<a title="_ftnref1" name="_ftnref1" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn1">[1]</a> for a number of years, I know that it is impossible to succeed and mature as a Christian without the church<a title="_ftnref2" name="_ftnref2" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn2">[2]</a>, for I discovered first hand "that it is always disastrous to leave the church<a title="_ftnref3" name="_ftnref3" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn3">[3]</a>." Since returning to regular involvement with the church I have come to appreciate how necessary the church is to my daily living. Yet I often find it difficult to express in words exactly how the church is necessary to my spiritual, emotional, and physical health. Most of the time, the necessity of the church is just a gut feeling that comes from having experienced a stagnate life<a title="_ftnref4" name="_ftnref4" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn4">[4]</a> outside of the church. This past fall however, while reading Calvin's <em>Institutes</em> for a class, I was reminded of several things about the church which makes it vitally necessary to my maturity as a Christian.</p>
<p>First and perhaps foremost, I need the church because<!--more--> I am a dysfunctional sinner. Calvin wrote that the church is "the divine institution to assemble and minister to the elect<em> in the earthly condition in which they are</em><a title="_ftnref5" name="_ftnref5" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn5">[5]</a>." Yes, I have been saved by faith through the Grace of God, but the fact is, I still have tendencies to do sinful things (just ask my friends and family). We come to the church and live in the church as sinners in need of cleansing and continual healing. I need the church because it is a home to sinners like me; sinners welcomed by God to a common journey of healing and re-creation.<a title="_ftnref6" name="_ftnref6" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn6">[6]</a></p>
<p>Secondly, I need the church because it is through the church that God kick started my faith and keeps it running<a title="_ftnref7" name="_ftnref7" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn7">[7]</a>. Without faith there is neither salvation nor Christian maturity, but in order to have faith, I need to hear the Word of God (Romans 10:17) <a title="_ftnref8" name="_ftnref8" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn8">[8]</a>. The Word is the primary tool which God uses to build up my faith. Through the Sacraments, God draws me closer to Him<a title="_ftnref9" name="_ftnref9" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn9">[9]</a> and allows me to experience His presence, and that is faith building, but it is in the preaching and teaching <a title="_ftnref10" name="_ftnref10" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn10">[10]</a> of the Word that He encourages my faith.<a title="_ftnref11" name="_ftnref11" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn11">[11]</a></p>
<p>Finally, I need the church because it has the duty to nurture, care, and provide guidance for Christians much as a mother cares for her children. "For there is no other way to enter life unless this mother conceive us in her womb, give us birth, nourish us at her breast, and lastly unless she keep us under her care and guidance... [For] our weakness does not allow us to be dismissed from her school until we have been pupils all our lives<a title="_ftnref12" name="_ftnref12" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftn12">[12]</a>."</p>
<p><em>Thoughtful and constructive comments are encouraged.</em></p>
<hr size="1" /><a title="_ftn1" name="_ftn1" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref1">[1]</a> My renouncing involvement in the church did not mean that I renounced Christ. It also did not mean that I necessarily renounced the whole church, just the local part I had been meeting with. My problem was with my church's leadership and their perception of what "church" should be. That I myself had a few dysfunctional issues never crossed my mind at the time. In looking back, it is probably safe to say that a large part of the problem was mine, but their attitudes and spiritually abusive "doctrines" did not help my situation.<a title="_ftn2" name="_ftn2" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref2">[2]</a> Calvin, John; Institutes of the Christian Religion; volume 2; edited by John T. McNeill; translated by Ford Lewis Battles, Westminster John Knox Press, Louisville, KY; 1960, reissued 2006, p. 1018.  "Many are led either by pride, dislike, or rivalry to the conviction that they can profit enough from private reading and meditation; hence they despise public assemblies and deem preaching superfluous. But, since they do their utmost to sever or break the sacred bond of unity, no one escapes the just penalty of this unholy separation without bewitching himself with pestilent errors and foulest delusions. In order, then, that pure simplicity of faith may flourish among us, let us not be reluctant to use this exercise of religion which God, by ordaining it, has shown to be necessary and highly approved."</p>
<p><a title="_ftn3" name="_ftn3" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref3">[3]</a> Ibid, p.1016. Italics mine.</p>
<p><a title="_ftn4" name="_ftn4" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref4">[4]</a> Can a Christian ever truly be stagnant? That's the word which came to mind as I was writing, but I question its use. Are not Christians either growing or regressing in their faith? Can we ever be simply stagnate?</p>
<p><a title="_ftn5" name="_ftn5" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref5">[5]</a> Institutes, p.1012, footnote 2.</p>
<p><a title="_ftn6" name="_ftn6" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref6">[6]</a> The idea of sinners being part of the church is a reality that the church must deal with. All sides of the emergent conversation are wrestling with this issue, but for me it is pretty cut and dry. Until I die and go to heaven, I'm going to have some sinful tendencies. Prayerfully, as I grow in my faith, my regenerated heart will over power some of those tendencies, but the battle will remain until I see Christ.</p>
<p><a title="_ftn7" name="_ftn7" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref7">[7]</a> Institutes, p. 1011. The full quote: which sounds rather arrogant to today's ears, says "that in our ignorance and sloth (to which [Calvin adds] fickleness of disposition) we need outward helps to beget and increase faith within us, and advance it to its goal." Ignorant, slothful, and fickle describes far too individuals in the church today; myself included.</p>
<p><a title="_ftn8" name="_ftn8" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref8">[8]</a> Ibid, p. 1017. Says Calvin, "God breathes faith into us only by the instrument of his gospel, as Paul points out the ‘faith comes from hearing' [Rom. 10:17]. Likewise, the power to save rests with God [Rom. 1:16]; but (as Paul again testifies) He displays and unfolds it in the preaching of the gospel."</p>
<p><a title="_ftn9" name="_ftn9" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref9">[9]</a> Ibid, p. 1012.</p>
<p><a title="_ftn10" name="_ftn10" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref10">[10]</a> Ibid, p1019. According to Calvin: "We must hold to what we have quoted from Paul - that the church is built up solely by outward preaching, and that [Christians] are held together by one bond only: that with common accord, through learning and advancement, they keep the church order established by God."</p>
<p><a title="_ftn11" name="_ftn11" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref11">[11]</a> Most of the time I was renouncing the church, I was listening to really good Christian preaching and teaching. Radio and television, and now the internet, are amazing media and I do not want to down play the role some preachers and teachers have through that media. I have a good friend who came to know Christ through a television program, so I know some tele-evangelism works. I believe that the seeds of her faith however were planted in the local church she sometimes attended as a youth. The Lord might have started the seed of faith growing through television, but He keeps it growing through the local body of believers she calls church. The point I want to emphasize here is that the hearing of the Word from radio and television is not what Calvin is talking about. Certainly Calvin knew nothing of these media and yes, they may help our spiritual growth, but I am convinced that it is hearing the Word in a local body of believers that Calvin is addressing. Writes Calvin, "We see how God, who could in a moment perfect his own, nevertheless desires them to grow up into [maturity] solely under the education of the church. We see the way set for it: the preaching of the heavenly doctrine has been enjoined upon the pastors." As we will see later in this series, the role of pastor is one that is properly exercised at the local level. I am convinced that one cannot truly be a pastor through the radio, television, or even the internet.</p>
<p><a title="_ftn12" name="_ftn12" href="http://beads576.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post-new.php#_ftnref12">[12]</a> Ibid, p. 1016.</p>
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<link>http://dailylight.wordpress.com/2007/11/17/reading-20-from-reinhold-niebuhr/</link>
<pubDate>Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>rhapsodysinger</dc:creator>
<guid>http://dailylight.wordpress.com/2007/11/17/reading-20-from-reinhold-niebuhr/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[The religious idealist, confronted with these stubborn obstacles to the realisation of his ideals, i]]></description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Moral-Immoral-Society-Continuum-Impacts/dp/0826477143/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&#38;s=books&#38;qid=1195315661&#38;sr=8-3" target="_blank" title="Read more about this book and buy it">Moral Man and Immoral Society</a></p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhold_Niebuhr" target="_blank" title="Who is Niebuhr?">Reinhold Niebuhr</a></p></blockquote>
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<p align="center"> <img src="http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/explorers_history/Adolf_Hitler_1928_sieg_heil_hail_to_victory_salute.jpg" alt="Immoral Man in Moral Garb" height="423" width="315" /></p>
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<p>I abstain from elaborating or further quoting to clarify the nature of the obstacles which confront a religious soul. They are all that takes a person away from God.<!--more--></p>
<p>Image: <a href="http://www.solarnavigator.net/history/explorers_history/Adolf_Hitler_1928_sieg_heil_hail_to_victory_salute.jpg" target="_blank">Solar Navigator</a></p>
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<title><![CDATA[This is Pathetic]]></title>
<link>http://dangoldfinch.wordpress.com/2007/11/05/this-is-pathetic/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 22:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>The very fact that this story exists tells us all we need to know about the <a href="http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071105/29962_Pastors_Worldwide_Pledge_Not_to_%27Short_Circuit%27_Sermons.htm">state of preaching</a>in the Evangelical Church. (PS--I suspect it is a publicity stunt by the website mentioned in the article.) I wonder if their pledge includes provisions for preachers who have cheated in their preparations? You know what I mean: Like those pledges kids can sign that represent a 're-virginization' after they have already fornicated. Seriously, is there a re-integrity-ization for preachers? This is beyond pathetic. Seriously, this story is hilarious. What does it say about the rest of the preachers in the world who won't sign their pledge?</p>
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<link>http://beads576.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/missional-and-emerging-language/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Bob B.</dc:creator>
<guid>http://beads576.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/missional-and-emerging-language/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[There have been a number of discussions lately concerning the meaning of church, specifically where ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been a number of <a target="_blank" href="http://glennhager.wordpress.com/2007/09/06/linkage/">discussions</a> lately concerning the meaning of church, specifically where one does or does not do church. Since I am presently taking a reformed theology class in "the church" these have been enlightening discussions and have stretched my understanding of being the church.  Rather than reply to each however, I need to get a few thoughts of my own out there. At the risk of sounding too much like a rebel, a nit picker, and an old fart (meaning modern scholastic), might I suggest that we need to define some "new" words and phrases for BEING the church. Throughout these discussions the word "church" is used in a number of different, although critically related, ways. Modernity and the english language has grossly confused the meaning of the word "church" in its application, not to mention its written and verbal useage. It is time we as Christians take a stand and stop confusing ourselves and others (non-believers) by our language, specifically by using terms with multiple meanings.</p>
<p>I suggest that <em><strong>if</strong></em> we limit the use of "church" to <!--more-->meaning <em>those individuals - past, present, and future - who have an eternal relationship with Jesus Christ</em>, and who thus constitute THE CHURCH (theologically, the invisible church), <em><strong>then</strong></em> we need new terms for BEING the (visible) church. As good post-modernists and emerging theologians let's deconstruct the language of church and define terms, even if they are long, overly simplistic, or invented, that say what we mean and are in keeping with Scripture.</p>
<p>For instance, might we not be better refering to "meeting places" rather than church (aka buildings, structures, tabernacles, etc). I often leave the house saying, "I'm going to church." What I really mean is that I am going to a certain building, at a certain location, where a local group of Christians routinely gather. My former "local gathering of believers" began meeting over 130 years ago in a field next to a certain tree. That was their meeting place, their church. Maybe yours is Starbucks, a home, a rented space in a warehouse, or a camp ground. Local gatherings of the church need not be limited to dedicated buildings (with or without steeples). It's easy to say, "I'm going to church," but I do not in fact go to church. I am part of the church wherever I am and I'm thinking, for clarity, we need to think and speek this way.</p>
<p>If believers have gathered to worship, hear the Word, partake of the Sacraments, and be held accountable by other believers, then wherever they are has become a Christian meeting place. And, that place may be occupied by believers at any moment of the day, week, or year. Having a regular gathering place in which to worship, hear the Word, partake of the Sacraments, and be held accountable is important. We are told not to forsake meeting together with other believers, with other members of the church body, for good reason. A finger cut off from the hand is simply a paperweight (hyberbolic metaphor to be sure) and of limited use (been there, done that, been grafted back in). The meeting together of believers however is only part, perhaps a large part, of being the church. This is one area in which I see the emerging church "getting it right." They are not content with "going to church" on Sunday morning or maybe even a few nights during the week to "do church." They want to "BE the church" every moment of the day.</p>
<p>Where and when we as believers gather together is not as important as the traditionalists (and some emergents) believe. What is important, what counts is that we do gather together on a regular basis. How that looks, how that plays out in reality, still needs to be defined and discussed. I am not sure that you and I sitting in Wendy's constitutes a gathering of believers, or what might traditionally be called "having church." Yes, we are possibly being the church. Yes, we are possibly having Christian fellowship (not to be confused with Christians who are socializing together). Jesus says, "where two or more are gathered together, there I will be." Does that imply that where two or more are gathered together, there is a gathering of the church? I guess it does since we are part of the church, but the prejudices of my classical church upbringing say no, this is not a church meeting.</p>
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<link>http://beads576.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/theologians-and-world-view-quiz/</link>
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<dc:creator>Bob B.</dc:creator>
<guid>http://beads576.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/theologians-and-world-view-quiz/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Thanks to Copus for the lead to the theologian and world view quizzes. My thoughts on the results f]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to <a target="_blank">Copus</a> for the lead to the theologian and world view quizzes. My thoughts on the results follow the results.</p>
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<td>You scored as <strong>Anselm</strong>, Anselm is the outstanding theologian of the medieval period.He sees man's primary problem as having failed to render unto God what we owe him, so God becomes man Christ and gives God what he is due. You should read 'Cur Deus Homo?'</p>
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<p>There's a St. Anselm Academy near where I work, but otherwise Anselm is just a name I vaguely remember from New Testament history. So, I'm not sure if the evaluation is correct or not. Guess I'll have to check out his theology. I do like being ranked with <!--more-->Calvin, Edwards, and Luther. Finney is probably okay, but I'm not sure if Moltmann is a good one to be likened to or not. Schleiermacher is a problem. My liberal presbytery will wonder why I don't think more like him and my evangelical friends will want to burn me at the stake for having any of his thoughts in my theology. Having beed raised in a fundamental Methodist Chruch, I do wonder how come I don't have any Wesleyan traits?</p>
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<td>You scored as <strong>Emergent/Postmodern</strong>, You are emergent/Postmodern in your theology. You feel alienated from older forms of church, you don't think they connect to modern culture very well. No one knows the whole truth about God, and we have much to learn from each other, and so learning takes place in dialogue. Evangelism should take place in relationships rather than through crusades and altar-calls. People are interested in spirituality and want to ask questions, so the church should help them to do this.</p>
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<p>Glad to see I'm emergent/postmodern, especially since I see this group as the present future of the church. I understand the Wesleyan and Reformed strengths since I grew up in the Methodist Church and am now a Presbyterian studying reformed theology, but where in the world did the Roman Catholic and neo-orthodox come from? Ain't none of that is this mindset. At least I didn't think so. I must not of understood a question or three to get those ratings! I am glad to see my fundamentalist mindset is decreasing. Now, if I could just decide between Calvin and Wesley.</p>
<p> Interesting quizzes, but not sure how accurate they really are.</p>
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<link>http://beads576.wordpress.com/2007/08/03/authenticity/</link>
<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 18:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Bob B.</dc:creator>
<guid>http://beads576.wordpress.com/2007/08/03/authenticity/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Most of the evangelical, fundamental churches I have been associated with spent a lot of time st]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the evangelical, fundamental churches I have been associated with spent a lot of time stressing correct behavior and attitudes. It did not matter to them if you were normal or crazy, as long as you dressed, spoke, and acted like their version of a good little Christian. This was especially important at church and in public where people might know which church you were affiliated with. In other words, it was okay to pretend and play at being a Christian regardless of what was in your heart, just so long as you didn't embarass the church. Yes, all of these churches preached that God looks upon the heart and not the outer appearance (1 Samuel 16:7), and we should do the same, but their practices said otherwise.</p>
<p>For much of my life I sought acceptance from people, especially from parents and church leaders, and since pretense often brought that acceptance, I learned to pretend. At the same time I learned to keep quiet about the stresses and pains of life. I learned early and clearly that there are some things one did not talk about as a Christian (eg: sex, drugs, politics, psychological disorders, family problems).  While it is a stretch to say I was crazy, <!--more-->regardless of your definition of that term, I did have serious emotional and spiritual dysfunctions. I still do and sometimes the best treatment, the best road to healing I have found is the freedom to be open about them and to discuss them within the "healing community" of the church. This freedom was and is missing in most of the churches with which I have been affiliated. Their concept of healing is getting one saved and then making sure I followed their pretensious rules.</p>
<p>Having lived among the pretenders, and being "a great pretender" myself, I find the cry for authenticity among the emerging church to be emotionally and spiritually refreshing. Frankly, there were times when the pretense was pretty easy, but most of the time it took a lot of energy to pretend to be someone I wasn't. At times, the stress associated with pretending to be who I wasn't led to physical illness. (I guess it never dawned on me that the energy I was expending in pretending to look, sound, and act like a Christian could have been channeled into a life of authenticity, a life that was truly reflective of Christ.)</p>
<p>My experience as a pretender is probably why one of the <a target="_blank" href="http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/posters.htm">anti-emerging church</a> posters mentioned in my previous post really pissed me off. The topic of this poster is authenticity and the caption reads, "I'm tired of having to pretend I'm not crazy." I find this critism of the emerging church offensive and belittling to me and all those who have suffered through the spiritual abuses of the pretending church. It is offensive and abusive to all those who are seeking a place where they can be open and honest with themselves and others. The church is not about just getting people saved and teaching them to act certain ways. The church is to be a place of caring and healing for all people regardless of their language, looks, or behavior.</p>
<p>I know the young women in this poster. Well, not her actually, but many like her. They shun the church and find it offensive because within all too many churches they cannot be themselves. Their dysfunctions and craziness are unwelcome. Their looks and their language are found to be "unacceptable for church." They are looked down on, belittled, and accused of being crazy by so called "followers of Christ." Yet they are the very people with whom Jesus often ate meals.</p>
<p>Thank God that the emerging church, and yes, some very traditional churches as well, are seeking to take the pretense out of the church. Thank God that the emerging church is welcoming into their communities those who for years have been driven away from churches. You know, maybe the poster isn't so offensive after all. It does say what I feel some Sunday mornings as I look around at my fellow pretenders. Maybe the poster isn't really belittling me and the emerging church. In fact, I think the poster just might encourage me to be more authentic. One thing I am sure of however, the poster does condemn the church for its past and present abusive practices of pretense. I'm not sure that is what the anti-emergents intended, but that is what I'm hearing.</p>
<p> for thought: Pretense = Lies = Sin. Will the church confess its sin and repent?</p>
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<link>http://beads576.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/emerging-church/</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Bob B.</dc:creator>
<guid>http://beads576.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/emerging-church/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Those of you who have read my doctrinal statement will hopefully identify me as a conservative, f]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those of you who have read my doctrinal statement will hopefully identify me as a conservative, fundamental, evangelical, right wing Christian. Now, before all you like minded individuals get all excited about me being one of you, let be very clear about something important - <em>I am thrilled, excited, and committed to being part of the emerging church conversation</em>. No, I do NOT agree with everything Brian McClaren and those of like mind have to say. At the same time, without having read any of his books, I can tell you that I do NOT agree with some of the things credible web sites are reporting that John MacArthur and others have said and written about the emerging church. Frankly, I am disgusted, insulated, ashamed, and down right angry about the attitude some of my fellow conservative, fundamental, and evangelical "Christian" brethern have towards the emerging church conversation.</p>
<p>Recently, I stumbled onto two sites with some excellent posters which claim to illustrate the emergent conversation. What is sadly clear from the <a href="http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/posters.htm">fundamentalist's</a> (anti-emerging church) posters is their failure to hear what the emerging conversation is really saying. They are either not listening clearly, unwilling to listen, or have intentially chosen to hear incorrectly the hermaneutics of their brothers and sisters in Christ. While I had a good laugh from some of the <a href="http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/posters.htm">anti-emerging church</a>  posters, I have to say that from an exegtical and hermaneutical study of Scripture I much prefer the <a href="http://emerginggrace.blogspot.com/">emerging church posters.</a> They challenge me to rethink and evaluate my faith in ways that 50 years of sound fundamental, evangelical teaching has not.  NO, they do NOT make me want to change my doctrinal statement. They DO however challenge me to write a praxis statement about how my faith needs to be lived out in the postmodern world of today. That is something the evangelical, fundamentalists have never challenged me to think about, let alone put into practice.</p>
<p>The emerging church folks do NOT have it all Scripturally correct. <!--more-->Neither do my friends in the conservative, fundamental camp. One group however seems much more willing to admit it. In doctrine, I remain a conservation, evangelical, fundamental Christian. The basic doctrinal truths of the Church, like our Triune God do not change. What changes is how we practice our faith. Frankly, I think the emerging church is on to something for today and the future. I for one, can do without the spiritually abusive praxis of the past that is being championed by my fundamental anti-emerging church brethern.</p>
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<link>http://omtersaaist.wordpress.com/2006/11/07/richard-ted-mike-en-bruno-over-de-wetenschapper-de-predikant-de-payboy-en-de-acteur/</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>pieterr</dc:creator>
<guid>http://omtersaaist.wordpress.com/2006/11/07/richard-ted-mike-en-bruno-over-de-wetenschapper-de-predikant-de-payboy-en-de-acteur/</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Herinner je je de documentaire van Richard Dawkins , waarvan je  hier fragmenten vindt?  In die docu]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herinner je je de documentaire van <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins" target="_blank">Richard Dawkins</a> , waarvan je  hier <a href="http://omtersaaist.wordpress.com/2006/04/11/atheistisch-reveil-nu/">fragmenten</a> vindt?  In die documentaire, "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Root_of_All_Evil%3F#Colorado_Springs" target="_blank">The roots of all Evil</a>" , gaat hij op <em>kruistocht</em> gaat tegen het geloof.</p>
<p>Helaas met zo'n gedrevenheid en rechtlijnigheid dat hij zijn rol van interviewer soms overboord gooit: in onderstaand fragment met TV-predikant Ted Haggard  vliegen de verwijten van domheid en arrogantie over en weer.  De Britse wetenschapper laat zich helemaal tergen en opjutten als zijn getrainde tegenstander glimlachend zijn Waarheid verkondigt en hem als een schooljongen de mantel uitveegt (zie minuut 3 en minuut 6):</p>
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<p>Mijn idool Richard haalt nu waarschijnlijk méér dan voldoening uit het verhaal van ene <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jones_%28escort%29" target="_blank">Mike Jones</a>, die vorige week aan de media vertelde dat hij drie jaar lang betaalde seks had met diezelfde Haggard (cfr. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html" target="_blank">CNN</a> en <a href="http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/061104Haggard/index.shtml" target="_blank">VRT</a>):</p>
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<p>Als predikant moeten <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/haggard.allegations/index.html" target="_blank">toegeven</a> dat je seks hebt met mannen... problematisch.  Helemaal pijnlijk wordt het, als je een reputatie hebt opgebouwd als eersteklas homohater...  en helemaal schizofreen als blijkt dat hij zijn eigen situatie als voorbeeld gebruikte in zijn donderpreken, zie dit grapje van hem uit de documentaire <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_camp" target="_blank">Jesus Camp</a> (waarover ik <a href="http://omtersaaist.wordpress.com/2006/09/19/we-worden-getraind-als-strijders-alleen-veel-leuker/">ook eerder postte</a>):</p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/W6rSjrBhUIA'></param><param name='wmode' value='transparent'></param><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/W6rSjrBhUIA&rel=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' wmode='transparent' width='425' height='350'></embed></object></span></p>
<p>Zou <a href="http://omtersaaist.wordpress.com/2006/11/05/sasha-baron-cohen-op-schoot-bij-john-stewart/">Sasha Baron Cohen</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_%28character%29" target="_blank"></a> méér succes gehad dan zijn landgenoot Richard Dawkins als hij (of liever zijn alter ego <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruno_%28character%29" target="_blank">Bruno</a>) Ted Haggard op de sofa had gehad?</p>
<p><span style='text-align:center; display: block;'><object width='425' height='350'><param name='movie' value='http://www.youtube.com/v/21XEishihNo'></param><param name='wmode' value='transparent'></param><embed src='http://www.youtube.com/v/21XEishihNo&rel=0' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' wmode='transparent' width='425' height='350'></embed></object></span></p>
<p><em>(ja, sorry voor nog maar eens een post over mijn stokpaardjes, maar als je met één bericht drie vroegere postings kunt oprakelen, dan laat je die kans toch niet liggen :-) ? )</em></p>
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