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<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΜΕΤΑ ΤΗΝ ΠΤΩΣΗ ΤΟΥ ΣΟΒΙΕΤΙΚΟΥ ΜΠΛΟΚ Η ΠΑΓΚΟΣΜΙΑ ΚΟΙΝΟΤΗΤΑ ΒΡΕΘΗΚΕ ΑΝΤΙΜΕΤΩΠΗ ΜΕ ΕΝΑΝ ΙΣΧΥΡΟ ΠΑΙΚΤΗ-ΧΩΡΙΣ ΑΝΤΙΠΑΛΟ- ΤΙΣ ΗΝΩΜΕΝΕΣ ΠΟΛΙΤΕΙΕΣ ΤΗΣ ΑΜΕΡΙΚΗΣ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΜΕ ΑΥΤΟΝ ΤΟΝ ΤΡΟΠΟ ΟΜΩΣ ΤΟ ΠΑΓΚΟΣΜΙΟ ΣΥΣΤΗΜΑ ΕΥΡΙΣΚΕΤΟ ΣΕ ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΑΝΙΣΟΡΡΟΠΙΑΣ ΚΑΙ ΑΥΤΟ ΔΕΝ ΗΤΑΝ ΔΥΝΑΤΟΝ ΝΑ ΣΥΝΕΧΙΣΤΕΙ ΠΑΡΑ ΤΟ ΓΕΓΟΝΟΣ ΟΤΙ Ο ΜΟΝΟΠΟΛΙΚΟΣ ΠΑΙΚΤΗΣ ΕΦΕΥΡΙΣΚΕ ΚΑΘΕ ΦΟΡΑ ΠΛΑΣΤΟΥΣ ΑΝΤΙΠΑΛΟΥΣ -ΔΙΕΘΝΗΣ ΤΡΟΜΟΚΡΑΤΙΑ, ΤΙΣ<a href="http://underinformation.wordpress.com/2008/05/04/theclubofrome/" target="_blank"> ΚΛΙΜΑΤΙΚΕΣ ΑΛΛΑΓΕΣ</a>, ΤΟ <a href="http://underinformation.wordpress.com/2008/05/26/peak_oil/" target="_blank">PEAK OIL</a>-ΠΡΟΚΕΙΜΕΝΟΥ ΝΑ ΑΠΟΔΕΙΞΕΙ ΟΤΙ ΤΟ ΠΑΓΚΟΣΜΙΟ ΣΥΣΤΗΜΑ ΗΤΑΝ ΔΙΠΟΛΙΚΟ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΟΜΩΣ Η ΙΣΧΥΡΟΠΟΙΗΣΗ ΤΗΣ ΡΩΣΣΙΑΣ ΤΟΥ ΠΟΥΤΙΝ ΔΗΜΙΟΥΡΓΗΣΕ ΤΟΝ ΔΕΥΤΕΡΟ ΙΣΧΥΡΟ ΠΑΙΚΤΗ Ο ΟΠΟΙΟΣ ΗΘΕΛΕ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΛΕΙ ΜΕΡΙΔΙΟ ΤΩΝ ΕΝΕΡΓΕΙΑΚΩΝ ΠΗΓΩΝ ΤΟΥ ΠΛΑΝΗΤΗ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>Ο ΔΙΑΜΕΛΙΣΜΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΓΙΟΥΓΚΟΣΛΑΒΙΑΣ ΚΑΙ Η ΑΔΥΝΑΜΙΑ ΤΗΣ ΤΟΤΕ ΡΩΣΣΙΑΣ ΝΑ ΤΟΝ ΑΠΟΤΡΕΨΕΙ ΕΝΕΘΑΡΡΥΝΕ ΤΙΣ ΗΠΑ ΩΣΤΕ ΝΑ ΠΡΟΩΘΗΣΟΥΝ ΤΑ ΣΧΕΔΙΑ ΤΟΥΣ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΠΑΓΚΟΣΜΙΑ ΚΥΡΙΑΡΧΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΝ ΕΛΕΓΧΟ ΤΩΝ ΕΝΕΡΓΕΙΑΚΩΝ ΠΗΓΩΝ ,ΑΝ ΟΧΙ ΤΗΣ ΡΩΣΣΙΑΣ , ΣΙΓΟΥΡΑ ΟΜΩΣ ΤΩΝ ΠΡΩΗΝ ΣΟΒΙΕΤΙΚΩΝ ΔΗΜΟΚΡΑΤΙΩΝ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΕΤΣΙ ΟΙ ΗΠΑ ΚΑΤΑΦΕΡΑΝ ΝΑ ΕΛΕΓΞΟΥΝ ΑΥΤΕΣ ΤΙΣ ΕΝΕΡΓΕΙΑΚΕΣ ΠΗΓΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΒΡΙΣΚΟΝΤΑΙ ΣΤΗΝ ΓΕΙΤΟΝΙΑ ΤΗΣ ΜΟΣΧΑΣ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΜΕΤΑ ΤΟΝ ΔΙΑΜΕΛΙΣΜΟ ΤΗΣ ΓΙΟΥΓΚΟΣΛΑΒΙΑΣ ΑΚΟΛΟΥΘΗΣΕ Η ΔΗΜΙΟΥΡΓΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΒΑΛΚΑΝΙΚΩΝ ΑΜΕΡΙΚΑΝΙΚΩΝ ΠΡΟΤΕΚΤΟΡΑΤΩΝ ΤΗΣ FYROM ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥ ΚΟΣΣΟΒΟΥ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong><a href="http://www.cfr.org/publication/16931/in_georgia_conflict_balkan_shadows.html?breadcrumb=%2F" target="_blank">Η ΜΟΝΟΜΕΡΗΣ ΑΝΕΞΑΡΤΗΣΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΚΟΣΣΟΒΟΥ</a> -ΠΑΡΑ ΤΙΣ ΑΠΟΦΑΣΕΙΣ ΤΟΥ ΟΗΕ ΓΙΑ ΤΟ ΑΝΤΙΘΕΤΟ-ΠΑΡΑΒΙΑΣΕ ΤΗΝ ΔΙΕΘΝΗ ΝΟΜΙΜΟΤΗΤΑ ΠΟΥ ΑΦΟΡΟΥΣΕ ΣΤΑ ΚΥΡΙΑΡΧΑ ΔΙΚΑΙΩΜΑΤΑ ΕΝΟΣ ΚΡΑΤΟΥΣ ΣΤΑ ΕΔΑΦΗ ΤΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΑΝΟΙΞΕ ΤΟΥΣ ΑΣΚΟΥΣ ΤΟΥ ΑΙΟΛΟΥ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΠΟΛΛΑ ΚΡΑΤΗ ΠΟΥ ΕΙΧΑΝ ΠΑΡΟΜΟΙΑ ΠΡΟΒΛΗΜΑΤΑ ΠΡΟΕΙΔΟΠΟΙΗΣΑΝ ΤΟΤΕ ΟΤΙ Η ΠΑΡΑΒΙΑΣΗ ΑΥΤΗ ΤΩΝ ΑΡΧΩΝ ΤΟΥ ΔΙΕΘΝΟΥΣ ΔΙΚΑΙΟΥ ΘΑ ΕΙΧΕ ΑΝΑΛΟΓΕΣ ΣΥΝΕΠΕΙΕΣ ΚΑΙ ΣΕ ΑΛΛΕΣ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΕΣ ΤΟΥ ΠΛΑΝΗΤΗ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΦΤΑΣΑΜΕ ΛΟΙΠΟΝ ΣΗΜΕΡΑ <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&#38;aid=9788" target="_blank">ΣΤΗΝ ΣΥΓΚΡΟΥΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΔΥΟ-ΠΛΕΟΝ-ΥΠΕΡΔΥΝΑΜΕΩΝ</a> ΣΤΗΝ ΝΟΤΙΑ ΟΣΣΕΤΙΑ.</strong></p>
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<dd class="wp-caption-dd">Georgia does not act militarily without the assent of Washington. The Georgian head of State is a US proxy and Georgia is a de facto US protectorate.</dd>
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<dd class="wp-caption-dd">Israel is now part of the Anglo-American military axis, which serves the interests of the Western oil giants in the Middle East and Central Asia.Israel is a partner in the Baku-Tblisi- Ceyhan pipeline which brings oil and gas to the Eastern Mediterranean. More than 20 percent of Israeli oil is imported from Azerbaijan, of which a large share transits through the BTC pipeline. Controlled by British Petroleum, the BTC pipeline has dramatically changed the geopolitics of the Eastern Mediterranean and the Caucusus.</dd>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>Η ΑΠΡΟΚΑΛΥΠΤΗ ΕΠΙΘΕΤΙΚΗ ΠΟΛΙΤΙΚΗ ΤΗΣ, ΥΠΟΤΕΛΟΥΣ ΣΤΙΣ ΗΠΑ , ΓΕΩΡΓΙΑΣ Η ΟΠΟΙΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΕΞΟΠΛΙΣΜΕΝΗ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΥΣ<a href="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/127135" target="_blank"> ΙΣΡΑΗΛΙΝΟΥΣ</a> ΚΑΙ ΤΙΣ ΗΠΑ ΟΔΗΓΗΣΕ ΣΤΗΝ ΣΗΜΕΡΙΝΗ ΣΥΓΚΡΟΥΣΗ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΤ' ΕΠΕΚΤΑΣΗ ΣΤΗΝ ΑΝΑΜΙΞΗ ΤΗΣ ΜΟΣΧΑΣ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΕΝΔΕΙΚΤΙΚΕΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010187.html" target="_blank">ΟΙ ΔΗΛΩΣΕΙΣ ΤΟΥ ΕΒΡΑΙΟΥ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΑΝΟΥ ΥΠΟΥΡΓΟΥ</a></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong><span class="t13">Temur Yakobshvili </span></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΠΟΥ ΕΠΑΙΝΕΙ ΤΙΣ ΙΣΡΑΗΛΙΝΕΣ ΕΝΟΠΛΕΣ ΔΥΝΑΜΕΙΣ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΕΚΠΑΙΔΕΥΣΗ ΠΟΥ ΠΑΡΕΙΧΑΝ ΣΤΟΥΣ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΑΝΟΥΣ</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΑΛΛΩΣΤΕ Η ΚΥΒΕΡΝΗΣΗ ΤΗΣ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΑΣ ΕΙΧΕ ΦΡΟΝΤΙΣΕΙ ΩΣΤΕ ΟΙ ΚΑΤΟΙΚΟΙ ΤΗΣ ΝΟΤΙΑΣ ΟΣΣΕΤΙΑΣ, ΟΥΣΙΑΣΤΙΚΑ ΡΩΣΣΟΙ, <a href="http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/19892.asp" target="_blank">ΝΑ ΒΙΩΝΟΥΝ ΜΙΑ ΚΟΛΑΣΗ ΚΑΙ ΝΑ ΖΟΥΝ ΧΕΙΡΟΤΕΡΑ ΚΑΙ ΑΠΟ ΤΑ ΠΟΝΤΙΚΙΑ</a>.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>Η ΕΠΙΘΕΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΑΝΩΝ ΣΤΡΑΤΕΥΜΑΤΩΝ ΜΕ ΒΑΣΗ ΤΑ ΣΧΕΔΙΑ ΤΩΝ ΗΠΑ ΑΠΟΤΕΛΕΙ ΜΙΑ ΕΥΚΑΙΡΙΑ ΓΙΑ ΤΗΝ ΜΟΣΧΑ ΝΑ ΠΑΡΕΜΒΗ ΣΤΡΑΤΙΩΤΙΚΑ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΑΠΟΔΕΙΞΕΙ <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-08-12-analysis_N.htm?csp=34" target="_blank">ΠΟΙΟ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΤΟ ΑΦΕΝΤΙΚΟ ΣΤΗΝ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΗ.</a></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΟΠΩΣ ΕΠΙΣΗΣ ΝΑ ΔΩΣΕΙ ΕΝΑ ΜΗΝΥΜΑ ΣΤΟ ΙΣΡΑΗΛ, ΤΟ ΟΠΟΙΟ ΔΙΕΚΟΨΕ ΗΔΗ ΤΗΝ ΣΤΡΑΤΙΩΤΙΚΗ ΒΟΗΘΕΙΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΑ, ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΟΠΟΙΟ ΕΧΕΙ <a href="http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000370059&#38;fid=942" target="_blank">ΕΠΕΝΔΥΣΕΙ ΣΤΗΝ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΑ $1 ΔΙΣ ΣΕ REAL ESTATE,ΑΜΥΝΑ Κ.Α.</a> ΟΤΙ ΣΕ ΔΙΑΦΟΡΕΤΙΚΗ ΠΕΡΙΠΤΩΣΗ Η ΡΩΣΣΙΑ ΘΑ ΕΔΙΝΕ ΠΡΟΗΓΜΕΝΗΣ ΤΕΧΝΟΛΟΓΙΑΣ ΑΝΤΙΕΡΟΠΟΡΙΚΑ ΣΥΣΤΗΜΑΤΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΣΥΡΙΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΙΡΑΝ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΟΙ ΗΠΑ ΠΑΡΑ ΤΟ ΓΕΓΟΝΟΣ ΟΤΙ ΣΤΗΡΙΖΟΥΝ ΤΗΝ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΑ <a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics/AP/story/636452.html" target="_blank">ΑΔΥΝΑΤΟΥΝ ΟΜΩΣ ΝΑ ΠΑΡΕΜΒΟΥΝ ΔΥΝΑΜΙΚΑ ΣΤΗΝ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΗ ΠΡΑΓΜΑ</a> ΠΟΥ ΣΗΜΑΙΝΕΙ ΟΤΙ Η ΡΩΣΣΙΑ ΘΑ ΕΛΕΓΞΕΙ ΣΕ ΜΕΓΑΛΟ ΒΑΘΜΟ ΤΗΝ ΠΕΡΙΟΧΗ ΤΟΥ ΚΑΥΚΑΣΟΥ ΜΕ ΟΤΙ ΑΥΤΟ ΣΥΝΕΠΑΓΕΤΑΙ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>Η ΑΔΥΝΑΜΙΑ ΤΟΣΟ ΤΩΝ ΗΠΑ </strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΟΣΟ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥ <a href="http://itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=12951498&#38;PageNum=0" target="_blank">ΝΑΤΟ</a></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong> <a href="http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/19883.asp" target="_blank">ΝΑ ΠΑΡΕΜΒΟΥΝ </a>ΜΕΙΩΝΕΙ ΣΕ ΜΕΓΑΛΟ ΒΑΘΜΟ ΚΑΙ <a href="http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/9511" target="_blank">ΤΙΣ ΟΡΕΞΕΙΣ ΤΙΣ ΟΥΚΡΑΝΙΑΣ</a>.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΜΕΝΕΙ ΝΑ ΔΟΥΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΣΥΝΕΧΕΙΑ ΤΗΣ ΣΥΓΚΡΟΥΣΗΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΠΟΣΟ <a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/georgia-clashes-threaten-eu-oil-supplies.html" target="_blank">ΑΠΕΙΛΕΙΤΑΙ Ο ΕΝΕΡΓΕΙΑΚΟΣ ΕΦΟΔΙΑΣΜΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΕΥΡΩΠΑΙΚΗΣ ΕΝΩΣΗΣ.</a></strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>Ο ΓΝΩΣΤΟΣ  <span>Zbigniew Brzezinski</span>, ΣΕ <a href="http://www.silobreaker.com/DocumentReader.aspx?Item=5_889846530" target="_blank">ΣΥΝΕΝΤΕΥΞΗ ΠΟΥ ΕΔΩΣΕ ΣΤΙΣ 10 ΑΥΓΟΥΣΤΟΥ 2008 ΣΤΟΝ Nathan Gardels </a>ΕΠΙΣΗΜΑΙΝΕΙ ΟΤΙ ΟΙ ΑΓΑΠΕΣ ΠΟΥ ΕΙΧΕ Ο ΜΠΟΥΣ ΚΑΙ Η ΚΟΝΤΟΛΙΖΑ ΜΕ ΤΟΝ ΠΟΥΤΙΝ ΕΠΙ ΤΟΣΑ ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΟΔΗΓΗΣΑΝ ΣΕ ΑΥΤΗ ΤΗΝ ΚΑΤΑΣΤΑΣΗ ΚΑΘΩΣ ΕΠΙΣΗΣ ΠΑΡΟΜΟΙΑΖΕΙ ΤΗΝ ΣΤΡΑΤΙΩΤΙΚΗ ΕΠΙΧΕΙΡΗΣΗ ΤΗΣ ΜΟΣΧΑΣ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΕΠΕΜΒΑΣΗ ΤΟΥ ΣΤΑΛΙΝ ΣΤΗΝ ΦΙΝΛΑΝΔΙΑ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΠΑΡΑΓΝΩΡΙΖΕΙ ΒΕΒΑΙΑ ΤΙΣ ΣΤΡΑΤΙΩΤΙΚΕΣ ΕΠΕΜΒΑΣΕΙΣ ΤΩΝ ΗΠΑ ΠΟΥ ΕΓΙΝΑΝ ΣΕ ΑΔΥΝΑΜΟΥΣ ΑΝΤΙΠΑΛΟΥΣ ΕΜΦΑΝΩΣ Η ΑΦΑΝΩΣ ΚΑΙ ΚΑΤΕΣΤΗΣΑΝ ΤΙΣ ΗΠΑ ΤΗΝ ΠΛΕΟΝ ΜΙΣΗΤΗ ΔΥΝΑΜΗ.<br />
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<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>Η ΡΩΣΣΙΑ ΣΗΜΕΡΑ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΝΑΓΚΑΣΜΕΝΗ ΝΑ ΠΑΙΞΕΙ ΣΕ <a href="http://en.fondsk.ru/article.php?id=1532" target="_blank">ΕΝΑ ΥΠΟΧΡΕΩΤΙΚΟ ΣΕΝΑΡΙΟ</a> ΣΕ ΜΙΑ <a href="http://en.fondsk.ru/article.php?id=1535" target="_blank">ΣΥΓΚΡΟΥΣΗ ΜΕΤΩΠΙΚΗ ΜΕ ΤΙΣ ΗΠΑ ΣΤΟΝ ΚΑΥΚΑΣΟ </a>ΓΙΑ ΤΟ ΜΟΙΡΑΣΜΑ ΤΩΝ ΕΝΕΡΓΕΙΑΚΩΝ ΠΗΓΩΝ ΤΟΥ ΠΛΑΝΗΤΗ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>ΑΡΑΓΕ Η ΣΗΜΕΡΙΝΗ ΚΡΙΣΗ ΘΑ ΟΔΗΓΗΣΕΙ ΤΗΝ ΑΝΘΡΩΠΟΤΗΤΑ ΜΠΡΟΣΤΑ ΣΕ ΜΙΑ ΝΕ ΚΡΙΣΗ ΤΥΠΟΥ "ΚΟΥΒΑΣ"??</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>Η</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>ΘΑ ΞΕΠΕΡΑΣΤΕΙ ΧΩΡΙΣ ΣΥΝΕΠΕΙΕΣ </strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>ΓΙΑ ΤΟ ΚΑΛΟ ΟΛΩΝ ΜΑΣ?</strong></span></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>UPDATE</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong><a href="http://war.georgia.su/" target="_blank">ΒΙΝΤΕΟ ΓΙΑ ΤΙΣ ΣΥΝΕΠΕΙΕΣ ΤΟΥ ΠΟΛΕΜΟΥ ΣΤΗΝ ΟΣΣΕΤΙΑ.</a></strong></p>
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<dt class="wp-caption-dt"><a href="http://streaming.visionip.tv/Russia_Today" target="_blank"><img class="size-full wp-image-1927" src="http://underinformation.wordpress.com/files/2008/08/watch_now.jpg" alt="the truth about HOLOCAUST in Ossetia and GENOCIDE of Ossetians" width="214" height="108" /></a></dt>
<dd class="wp-caption-dd">Online Internet-broadcasting of RT TV-channel: the truth about HOLOCAUST in Ossetia and GENOCIDE of Ossetians</dd>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΔΙΑΒΑΣΤΕ <a href="http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=5623&#38;l=1" target="_blank">ΤΙ ΓΡΑΦΕΙ</a> ΤΟ International Crisis Group (Crisis Group)</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΤΟ ΟΠΟΙΟ ΕΙΝΑΙ an independent, non-profit, non-governmental organisation </strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΤΟΥ GEORGE SOROS ΒΕΒΑΙΑ</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΤΟ ΟΠΟΙΟ ΕΝΩ ΤΟΤΕ ΥΠΟΣΤΗΡΙΖΕ ΤΗΝ ΕΠΕΜΒΑΣΗ ΤΩΝ ΗΠΑ</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΣΤΗΝ ΓΙΟΥΓΚΟΣΛΑΒΙΑ.</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΤΩΡΑ ΓΙΑ ΝΑ ΛΥΘΕΙ Η ΚΡΙΣΗ ΠΡΕΠΕΙ Η ΡΩΣΣΙΑ ΝΑ ΑΠΟΧΩΡΗΣΕΙ.</strong></p>
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<dd class="wp-caption-dd">Moscow insisted its latest moves were intended to create a buffer zone around the break­away enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and it had no plans to push farther into Georgian territory.</dd>
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<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>Ο ΠΡΟΕΔΡΟΣ ΤΗΣ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΑΣ ΣΑΑΚΑΣΒΙΛΙ</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong><a href="http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=40840&#38;cat_id=1" target="_blank">ΕΠΑΙΞΕ ΚΑΙ ΕΧΑΣΕ</a>!!</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΓΙΑΤΙ ΝΟΜΙΖΕ ΟΤΙ ΟΙ ΗΠΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΝΑΤΟ</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:center;"><strong>ΘΑ ΤΟΛΜΟΥΣΑΝ ΝΑ ΕΡΘΟΥΝ ΑΝΤΙΜΕΤΩΠΟΙ ΜΕ ΤΗΝ ΡΩΣΙΑ!</strong></p>
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<description><![CDATA[Πόσο βλάχοι είστε; Παγκόσμια πρωτοτυπία μαλακίας χτες ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Πόσο βλάχοι είστε; Παγκόσμια πρωτοτυπία μαλακίας χτες στο Καραισκάκη στην συναυλία των Σεξ Πίστολς. Έπεσε τόσο ξύλο για το τίποτα. Ας πάρουμε τα πράγματα όμως απο την αρχή...</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Η Ιστορία<span>  </span></span></span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36pt;text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">Κόσμος έβγαινε αμέριμνος απο τον σταθμο του Ηλεκτρικού στο Φάληρο πηγαίνοντας προς το Καραισκάκη ώστε να παρακολουθήσει μια συναυλία ιστορική. Ξαφνικά, έβλεπε μια ομάδα απο 75-80 άτομα με κράνη, σπρει </span><span style="font-family:Verdana;">paralyzer</span><span style="font-family:Verdana;"> και μαδέρια. Πριν προλάβει να αντιδράσει οποιοσδήποτε, έτρωγε ξύλο. Και μιλάμε για πολύ ξύλο. Μερικές τραγικές εικονες: Σπασμένα πλευρά, αίματα σε κάθε σκαλί του ηλεκτρικού, ξεκόλλημα τζιβών με το χέρι(!!) απο το κεφάλι ανθρώπων που έχουν ραστα, αιματοδαρμένες φάτσες να τρέχουν πανικόβλητες φωνάζοντας βοήθεια, ουρές στο απέναντι νοσοκομείο απο ματωμένα κεφάλια, σπρέι </span><span style="font-family:Verdana;">paralyzer</span><span style="font-family:Verdana;"> </span><span style="font-family:Verdana;">στη μούρη των θυμάτων απο τα 30 εκατοστά, κλωτσιές στο σαγόνι ανθρώπων που είναι αιμόφυρτοι στο έδαφος, μπουνιές και κλωτσιές στο κεφάλι απο όσους χωρούσαν στον περίγυρο του ανθρώπου που τις έτρωγε και πολλά άλλα συνθέτανε τον περιβάλλοντα χώρο του γηπέδου πριν απο μία συναύλια. Κι όλο αυτό γιατί; Γιατί; Για τον Ολυμπιακό!!! Τι σχέση έχει ο γαύρος με τους </span><span style="font-family:Verdana;">SEX</span><span style="font-family:Verdana;"> </span><span style="font-family:Verdana;">PISTOLS</span><span style="font-family:Verdana;"> </span><span style="font-family:Verdana;">ρε μαλάκες; Τι σας φταίει ο κόσμος; Να πω οτι ήταν βάζελοι, χανούμια, Παοκτζήδες, Αρειανοί, γριές που τους έτρωγε ο κώλος και ήρθαν για να τσακωθούν και πλακωθήκατε... Τι στο διάλολο ήταν όλοι αυτοί που βαρούσατε, ξέρετε; Ανθρωποι που πήγαιναν σε συναυλία. Ασε που χτυπήσατε και πάρα πολλούς Ολυμπιακούς βρε βλάχοι! Ασχετοι! Συναύλια είχε. Θα εξηγήσω το μπέρδεμα που έγινε λοιπόν και έπεσε το ξύλο.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Το μπέρδεμα</span></span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36pt;text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;">Εξω απο το Καραισκάκη, στις αποθήκες, φυλλάσονται τα πανό του Ολυμπιακού. Επειδή είμαστε Ελληνες και η ραδιο-αρβύλα είναι στο αίμα μας, κυκλοφόρησε η φήμη οτι Αεκτζήδες και Παναθηναϊκοι </span><span style="font-family:Verdana;">PUNK</span><span style="font-family:Verdana;">ηδες θα πάνε να κλέψουν τα πανό του γαύρου απο το γήπεδο. Ο ένας το είπε στον άλλο, δεν θέλει πολύ, μαζεύτηκαν έξω απο το γήπεδο λοιπόν κάποιοι αρχικάφροι. Κι αφού μαζεύτηκαν που μαζεύτηκαν, ΑΕΚΤΖΗΔΕΣ και ΒΑΖΕΛΟΥΣ δεν βρήκαν, αλλα δεν θα μπορούσαν να φυγουν και άπραγοι... </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36pt;text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Με ατάκες “Τι ήρθατε να κάνετε εδώ ρε, να διασκεδάσετε; Εδώ είναι ναός ρε μουνιά” και άλλα τέτοια γραφικά την έπεφταν στον κόσμο. Επίσης υπήρχαν έντονα σημάδια νεοφασισμού μια και σε τύπους με ντρεντλοκς(ραστα), αναρχόφατσες, αριστεροπάνκηδες, τρέντηδες κι ότι άλλο τους ξένιζε, ακούγονταν υποτιμητικές ατάκες αναλόγως το είδος τους, πριν αρχίσουν τα μπουνίδια... Το χειρότερο όμως ήταν άλλο, και αποδεικνύει μερική συμπεριφορά νεοφασιμού... Οι ΜΠΑΤΣΟΙ!</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Ανοχή και αλητεία!!!</span></span></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36pt;text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Με το που γίνεται η καταγγελία, σκάνε οι μπάτσοι και οι τραμπούκοι σπάνε σε παρεούλες τριών ατόμων. Δεν συλλαμβάνουν κανέναν και παρατηρούν τον χώρο, λες κι ο χώρος θα βαρέσει μόνος του τον κόσμο που πηγαίνει στην συναυλία. Μουνόπανα! Ουτε μια σύλληψη ρεεεεε; Δίπλα στο νοσοκομείο γίνονταν της πουτάνας. Σαν να μην έφτανε αυτό, κάποια ακόμη μικροτερα περιστατικά γινόντουσαν γύρω απο το στάδιο, με τους μπάτσους να κοιτούν αδιαφορα έχοντας το ύφος: “Αστους, κάνουν αυτοί την βρώμικη δουλειά για εμάς. Στις πορείες μας σπάνε τα ούμπαλα, ας πάθουν αυτό που τους αξίζει απο τον λαό”. ΕΛΕΟΣ! ΕΛΕΟΣ! </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36pt;text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Και το κακό σενάριο τελείωσε, όταν οι μπάτσοι μπήκαν μέσα στην συναυλία τάχα μου να πιάσουν αυτούς που έδερναν τον κόσμο. Τι έκαναν; Χτυπούσαν άσχετους που τους είχαν μπει στο μάτι απο άλλες καταστάσεις. Πιο πριν, με τους πραγματικούς ενόχους υπήρχαν συνομιλίες... Σαν φιλαράκια. Καθάρματα. Φασίστες.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Κι αυτοί που έδειραν τόσο κόσμο; Μια χαρά, πηγαν σπίτι τους ολοκληρωμένοι και γεμάτοι απο μαγκιά και περηφάνια... Τουλάχιστον, αρκετοί μπάτσοι έφαγαν ξύλο προς το τέλος της συναυλίας απο εξαγριωμένο κοινό...</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Τα συμπεράσματά μου λοιπόν είναι:</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">-Οι γαύροι είναι οι περισσότερο βλάχοι που υπάρχουν. Εγινε όλο αυτό για τον Ολυμπιακό. Δεν νομίζω να διαδραματίζονταν παρόμοια κατάσταση σε οπιαδήποτε άλλο γήπεδο.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">-Καλά παθαίνουμε και δεν έρχονται τα μεγάλα ονόματα στην Ελλάδα για συναυλίες. Οσο καλό κοινό και να εχουμε, υπάρχει αλλο ένα τεράστιο ποσοστό, που είναι μαλάκες. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">-Είμαστε οι περισσότερο κουραδόμαγκες απο όλους. Το να την πέφτουν 100 άτομα σε δύο ή σε τρεις, σόρυ αλα δεν είναι μαγκιά. Το να την πέφτουν χωρίς ουσιαστικό λόγο, ειναι η απόλυτη ΜΑΛΑΚΙΑ!</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">-Οι νεοφασίστες παλιότερα είχαν και κάποια μόρφωση. Τώρα, είναι άσχετοι απο πολιτική. Όπως άλλωστε και οι αντίπαλοι τους, παιδάκια που σπάνε και καίνε αυτοκίνητα χωρίς να ξέρουν τον λόγο.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">ΑΗΔΙΑΣΑ! ΣΙΧΑΘΗΚΑ! </span></span></p>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36pt;text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Πραγματικά τώρα… Τι τακτικές είναι αυτές? Πως την έχουν δει αυτοί του Άρεως? Καλά τους κάνει ο Ντούσαν και τους παρατάει… Δεν τον άφηναν να πάει στον Παναθηναϊκό, ένιωθαν μεγάλη ομάδα. Ο Ντούσκο όμως έβαλε στραβά το καπελάκι του, και ΑΝΤΕ ΓΕΙΑ κοροΐδα! Μαγκιά του. Παρεμπιπτόντως, θα το χτυπάει το κεφαλάκι του κι αυτός που δεν έγινε ο προδότης της σκωληκαντέρας, να πάει μετά στην βαζέλα και να πάρει όλους τους ακριβούς ….ιτς της Ευρώπης! </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36pt;text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Κι ας πορευτεί ο Άρης τα πισογυρίσματα με τον Ερνάντεθ! Το να γυρίσεις στην παλιά γκόμενα και να είναι καλά τα πράγματα, μόνο μία περίπτωση υπάρχει. Αυτή η γκόμενα να υπήρξε ο μεγάλος σου έρωτας, και να έχεις αποφασίσει οτι θα την παντρευτείς. Και γάμος Αρη-Ερνάντεθ δεν μπορεί να γίνει, αρκεί να θυμηθείτε τους λόγους του διαζυγίου. Είναι δυνατόν να μην χώνουν τη μύτη τους τα σκουλήκια στην ομάδα? Αφού το λέει η λέξη που τους προσδιορίζει. Σκουλήκια είναι.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36pt;text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Και κοίτα να δεις ομάδα που το παίζει ΑΤΣΑΛΑΚΩΤΗ. Ο Άρης! Ο Αρούλης! Στη Β’Εθνική δύο φορές τα τελευταία χρόνια… Την μία ξέχασαν λέει να πάρουν τα δελτία μαζί! Έλεος δηλαδή! Και εντάξει, θέλετε να μείνει ο παίχτης γιατί είναι σημαντικός. Του προσφέρετε 300 χιλιάρικα και δεν τον πουλάτε με 2,5 εκ! Δεν υπάρχει αυτό έτσι?? Οι βαζελόγαυροι του δίνουν σίγουρη και διάσημη καριέρα με 600 το χρόνο! Που θα θέλει να πάει, λογικό δεν είναι? Τι να κάνει σε ομάδα που θα παλεύει και θα θεωρεί την τέταρτη θέση επιτυχία ρε παιδιά? Αμ το άλλο. Τον απειλούν κιόλας οτι αν φύγει θα τον λιντσάρουν. Οι δημοκρατικοί Αρειανοί! Τώρα με τον εισαγγελέα να δω την μαγκιά σας, βλάκες! Ακούς εκεί, μαγκιά και ο Άρης. Μαγκιά-κλανιά δηλαδή, αλλα τέλος πάντων... </span></span></p>
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<description><![CDATA[Και ο λόγος είναι ο Γκαγκάτσης. Πριν από λίγες μέρες έγ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:36pt;text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;">Και ο λόγος είναι ο Γκαγκάτσης. Πριν από λίγες μέρες έγραψα ένα ποστ « </span><a href="http://coachp.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/"><span style="font-size:small;">http://coachp.wordpress.com/2008/06/11/</span></a><span style="font-size:small;"> »με τίτλο ΠΟΥ ΠΑΣ ΡΕ … ΧΑΓΚΕΛ? Είχε μέσα και ένα παρασκήνιο της Εθνικής με τον καυγά κάποιων παιχτών που αναλύθηκε αμέσως μετά στα σχόλια του εν λόγω ποστ. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span>        </span>Υπήρξε ένας καυγάς λοιπόν μεταξύ των Δέλλα-Λυμπερόπουλου από την μία πλευρά, με τους Νικοπολίδη-Αντζα από την άλλη. Ξεκίνησε με ατάκα του Λυμπε, πως τους έφαγαν το πριμ κατάκτησης τίτλου οι προαναφερθέντες παίχτες του Ολυμπιακού με την υπόθεση Βαλνερ κ.ο.κ. Βρίστηκαν χοντρά, πιάστηκαν στα χέρια, μπαίνει ο Γκαγκάτσης στην μέση, τον έβρισαν κι αυτόν οι της ΑΕΚ, και αντε γειά… Συνέπεια αυτού, η «τυχαία» αποχώρηση από την Εθνική Ελλάδος των παιχτών του Ολυμπιακού που συμμετείχαν στον καυγά, λίγες μέρες μετά από αυτό που έγραψα (και είδηση ο </span><span style="font-family:Verdana;" lang="EN-US">coachP</span><span style="font-family:Verdana;">, έτσι?).</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><span style="font-size:small;"><span>        </span>Το θέμα δεν τελείωσε εκεί. Το τελειώνει τώρα ο Γκαγκάτσης, που θεωρεί το ποδόσφαιρο δικό του μπαϊράκι, και οι Δέλλας-Λυμπερόπουλος, δύσκολα θα ξαναπαίξουν με το εθνόσημο στο στήθος. Σύμφωνα με πληροφορίες που διαρρέουν από λόγια διεθνούς παίχτη, έχει πειστεί ήδη και ο Οττο… Το καλό, η ανανέωση, το κακό, για άλλη μια φορά ότι αποφασίζει ο Γκαγκάτσης για τις τύχες του Ελληνικού ποδοσφαίρου. ΕΛΕΟΣ!</span></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Συνεχίζουν τις μαχαιριές τα "σκατοκάναλα".]]></title>
<link>http://parodos.wordpress.com/?p=908</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>padrazo</dc:creator>
<guid>http://parodos.wordpress.com/?p=908</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Ένας του αφαίρεσε την ζωή, δεκάδες σκατοδημοσιογράφοι ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Ένας του αφαίρεσε την ζωή, δεκάδες σκατοδημοσιογράφοι «απλώνουν» το πέπλο του πένθους για να το ξεσκίζουν αμέσως μετά και να "αποκαλύψουν" λεπτομέρειες της ιδιωτικής του ζωής.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Οι νεκροί βλέπεις δεν έχουν ευαίσθητα προσωπικά δεδομένα.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Κάποιος να πάρει το μαχαίρι από τους "χασάπηδες" της "ενημέρωσης"...</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Ευτυχώς και δυστυχώς Νίκο έγινε σεισμός.<br />
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<title><![CDATA[Ποιοί είναι οι «Πολίτες Υπεράνω Πάσης Υποψίας» και ποιοι όχι;]]></title>
<link>http://parodos.wordpress.com/?p=879</link>
<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 12:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>padrazo</dc:creator>
<guid>http://parodos.wordpress.com/?p=879</guid>
<description><![CDATA[Σε ποια ιδιότητα βασίζεται ο διαχωρισμός – χαρακτηρισ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">Σε ποια ιδιότητα βασίζεται ο διαχωρισμός – χαρακτηρισμός; Ένας περιπτεράς ας πούμε είναι υπεράνω πάσης υποψίας; Eκτός από τους γιατρούς τους δικηγόρους και τους στρατιωτικούς ποιές άλλες επαγγελματικές κατηγορίες εντάσσονται στους <strong>ΠΥΠΥ</strong>; Είναι θέμα φορολογικής δήλωσης; Υπάρχει σχετικό έντυπο, Ε++ ας πούμε, στο οποίο συμπληρώνουν κάποιο ειδικό πεδίο με σχετική ερώτηση ΠΥΠΥ : ΝΑΙ/ΟΧΙ;</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;"><!--more-->Αυτοί οι εικοσιένα που εμπλέκονται στο κύκλωμα παιδεραστίας δεν έχουν όνομα; Τι ποινές προβλέπει ο νόμος; Αφού σίγουρα δεν είναι ισόβια δεσμά η ποινή τους και κάποια στιγμή θα αφεθούν ελεύθεροι γιατί δεν δημοσιοποιούνται τα πλήρη στοιχεία τους για την προστασία των μελλοντικών θυμάτων τους;</p>
<p>Η προστασία εγκληματικών δεδομένων δεν αποτελεί εγκληματική πράξη;</p>
<p>Πολύ ευχαρίστως θα παρανομούσα δημοσιεύοντας τις φωτογραφίες και τα στοιχεία τους.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Μανιοκατάθλιψη : Ποιος είναι επιτέλους ο πυρήνας του άλλου;]]></title>
<link>http://parodos.wordpress.com/?p=875</link>
<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 09:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>padrazo</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[Τι κάνεις στην περίπτωση που κατ’ επανάληψη στη φάση τ]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal">Τι κάνεις στην περίπτωση που κατ’ επανάληψη στη φάση της κατάθλιψης σε αγκαλιάζει και στη φάση της μανίας σου επιτίθεται προσωπικά ακόμα και με χρήση βίας; Ποιος είναι πραγματικά ο άλλος; Ποιος είναι ο «πυρήνας» του; Αυτός που μου λέει «είσαι αδελφός μου» ή ο άλλος που λέει «είσαι εχθρός μου» και απειλεί την ζωή μου; Το ένστικτο της αυτοσυντήρησης μου λέει να πιστέψω στο δεύτερο.</p>
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<title><![CDATA[Αγνός Μονοθεϊσμός – Ένας Και Μοναδικός Θεός]]></title>
<link>http://tikaras.wordpress.com/?p=64</link>
<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ahmed Eldin</dc:creator>
<guid>http://tikaras.wordpress.com/?p=64</guid>
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Αχμαντ Ελντιν
 
 
 
 
 
Το Ιερό Κοράνι παρουσιάζει την ]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;margin:0;" align="center"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Αχμαντ Ελντιν</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Το Ιερό Κοράνι παρουσιάζει την απόλυτη μοναδικότητα του Θεού ως εξής:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:13.05pt;margin:0 0 0 0.7pt;"><em><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:13.05pt;margin:0 0 0 0.7pt;"><em><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></em></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-indent:35.45pt;line-height:13.05pt;margin:0 0 0 0.7pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><em><span style="font-size:13pt;">Στο όνομα του Αλλάχ του Παντελεήμονα, του Πολυεύσπλαχνου</span></em></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-indent:0.2in;line-height:13.3pt;text-align:justify;margin:13.3pt 0.6pt 0 0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:13pt;letter-spacing:-0.4pt;"><span>1.<span style="font:7pt;">     </span></span></span><span style="font-size:13pt;">Λέγε (Μουχάμμεντ!): Αυτός είν' ο Αλλάχ ο ένας και Μοναδικός,</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-indent:0.2in;line-height:13.05pt;text-align:justify;margin:13.3pt 0.5pt 0 0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:13pt;letter-spacing:-0.15pt;"><span>2.<span style="font:7pt;">  </span></span></span><span style="font-size:13pt;">Αλλάχ, ο Αιώνιος, ο Απόλυτος (απ' τον οποίον όλα τα πλάσματα έχουν ανάγκη).</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-indent:0.2in;line-height:13.3pt;text-align:justify;margin:12.95pt 0.5pt 0 0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:13pt;letter-spacing:-0.15pt;"><span>3.<span style="font:7pt;">  </span></span></span><span style="font-size:13pt;">Ποτέ δεν γέννησε, και ποτέ δεν γεννήθηκε,</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;text-indent:0;margin:0.2in 0 0 0.2in;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:13pt;letter-spacing:-0.1pt;"><span>4.<span style="font:7pt;">  </span></span></span><span style="font-size:13pt;">Και δεν υπάρχει κανείς όμοιος Του.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">(Κοράνι 112: 1-4) -  <span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=g1VLdKGDV2Q">Κλικ εδω να ακουσετε το κεφαλαιο</a> </span></span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span> </span>Το μήνυμα είναι ξεκάθαρο. Ο Θεός είναι ένας και μοναδικός, δεν είναι τριαδικός η δωδεκάθεος, <span> </span>κανείς δεν του μοιάζει και κανείς δεν είναι ίσος μαζί Του <span> </span>δεν γέννησε κανέναν υιό και καμία κόρη και κανένα παιδί και ούτε προήλθε από γέννα καμιάς μάνας.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Αυτή είναι περιγραφή για τον Δημιουργό τον παντοδύναμο. Ένα Δημιουργό δίχως ατέλειες και ανάγκες, ένα Δημιουργό δίχως ανθρωπομορφισμούς, έναν Δημιουργό άξιο να λατρευτεί και άξιο να Τον υπακούσεις.<span>  </span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Πέρα από κάθε αμφιβολία το κοράνιο κεφάλαιο « ιχλας» ( 112: 1-4) παρουσιάζει μια αγνή μορφή μονοθεϊσμού.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Ο Προφήτης Μουχαμαντ, είπε σχετικά για αυτό το κεφάλαιο ότι « αποτελεί το ένα τρίτο ολοκλήρου του Κορανίου» </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Το κεφάλαιο αυτό αποτελεί την βάση της πίστης στο Ισλάμ και είναι η καλύτερη απάντηση σε αυτούς που αναρωτιούνται πως και ποιος είναι ο Θεός σύμφωνα με το Ισλάμ. </span></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Response to Sam Shamoun on the topic “Is Allah the only Judge or Not?”]]></title>
<link>http://tikaras.wordpress.com/?p=59</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ahmed Eldin</dc:creator>
<guid>http://tikaras.wordpress.com/?p=59</guid>
<description><![CDATA[By Ahmed Eldin
 
 
His article: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/only_judge.html 
 
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;margin:0;" align="center"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">By Ahmed Eldin</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;margin:0;" align="center"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">His article: </span><a href="http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/only_judge.html"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/only_judge.html</span></a><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Here I continue to expose the ignorant missionary. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">He wrote:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">The Quran says that there is no other judge besides Allah and that he doesn’t allow anyone to share in his decision-making or rule:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><em><span style="font-size:13pt;">Shall I seek other than Allah for judge</span></em></strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">, when He it is Who hath revealed unto you (this) Scripture, fully explained? Those unto whom We gave the Scripture (aforetime) know that it is revealed from thy Lord in truth. So be not thou (O Muhammad) of the waverers. S. 6:114 </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Say: "Allah knows best how long they stayed. With Him is (the knowledge of) the unseen of the heavens and the earth. How clearly He sees, and hears (everything)! They have no <em>Wali</em> (Helper, Disposer of affairs, Protector, etc.) other than Him, <strong><em>and He makes NONE to share in His Decision and His Rule</em></strong>." S. 18:26 Hilali-Khan</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">But elsewhere in the Quran Muhammad is said to share in Allah’s decisions and judgments:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah <strong><em>and the messenger</em></strong> if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more seemly in the end. S. 4:59</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah's leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, <strong><em>they had but come unto thee</em></strong> <strong><em>and asked forgiveness of Allah, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">and asked forgiveness of the messenger</span></em></strong>, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful. But nay, by thy Lord, they will not believe (in truth) <strong><em>until they make thee judge of what is in dispute between them</em></strong> and find within themselves no dislike <strong><em>of that which thou decidest</em></strong>, and submit with full submission. S. 4:64-65 Pickthall</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">And it becometh not a believing man or a believing woman, <strong><em>when Allah <span style="text-decoration:underline;">and His messenger</span> have decided an affair</em></strong> (for them), that they should (after that) claim any say in their affair; and whoso is rebellious to Allah and His messenger, he verily goeth astray in error manifest. S. 33:36</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Amazingly, the above citation says that Muhammad also shares Allah’s ability to forgive sinners! </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">In light of the above what exactly is a person to believe? Is Allah the only judge and does he refuse to share his decision and rule with anyone? Or does Muhammad also judge and make decisions for his community? </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">My response:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Shamoun is not able to realize that the source of Judgement is Allah alone. Prophet Muhammad judges from the legislations of Allah. Therefore, Allah is the only judge. Let us expose Shamoun from his own quotations from the noble Quran.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[004:059] O ye who believe! Obey <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">God, and obey the Apostle, and those charged with authority among you</span></strong>. <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to God and His Apostle</span></strong>, if ye do believe in God and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination.</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">To refer to God means to refer to his Holy Book the Quran and to refer to the Apostole means to the Sunnah of the prophet Muhammad. The source of Islam is the Quran and the Sunnah.<span>  </span>Both of them come from Allah. Therefore again the source of Judgment is Allah alone. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">The other verses that Shamoun posts: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[004:064]  <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">We sent not an apostle, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of God.</span></strong> <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, come unto thee and asked God's forgiveness, and the Apostle had asked forgiveness for them</span></strong>, they would have found God indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[004:065]  But no, by the Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Is so clear that Allah send an apostle to be obeyed, because simply if you obey the messenger is like you obey God. The messenger teaches only what God tells him. Also the verse speak about the Gods forgiveness and the apostle ASK forgiveness from God. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Shamou also post the verse: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path[033:036]</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">God is again <span> </span>the ultimate source of decision. The messenger obeys God, and the believers if they obey the messenger are as if they obey God. Let us read some verses that clearly states that the Prophet Muhammad believe and obey God. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[048:029<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">]  Muhammad is the apostle of God; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. </span></strong>Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from God and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. God has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">This verse totally silence Shamoun</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[007:158]  day: "O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Apostle of God, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">So believe in God and His Apostle, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in God and His words</span></strong>: follow him that (so) ye may be guided."</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">The Apostle believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. </span></span></strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">Each one (of them) believeth in God, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." </span><span style="font-size:13pt;">002:285</span><span style="font-size:13pt;"></span></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Response to Sam Shamoun on the topic “Does Allah Act Alone or Does He Have Partners That Assist Him?”]]></title>
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<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ahmed Eldin</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[By Ahmed Eldin
 
 
 
In that response, I will expose Shamouns stupidity and his lack of understan]]></description>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;margin:0;" align="center"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">By Ahmed Eldin</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">In that response, I will expose Shamouns stupidity and his lack of understanding.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">First, you can find his desperate article here: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><a href="http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/allah_alone_confusion.html"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/allah_alone_confusion.html</span></a><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">He wrote: </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">The Quran is confused on whether Allah acts by himself, without any help from his creatures. In certain places Allah is said to function all by himself whereas other texts speak of Allah acting with the aid or mediation of his creatures.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Here are some examples of what we mean.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Is Allah Alone a witness against mankind?</span></span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">Yes:</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">The day when God shall gather the Messengers, and say, 'What answer were you given?' They shall say, <em>'We have no knowledge; Thou art the Knower of the things unseen</em>. S. 5:109</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">And when God said, 'O Jesus son of Mary, didst thou say unto men, "Take me and my mother as gods, apart from God"?' He said, 'To Thee be glory! It is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, Thou knowest it, knowing what is within my soul, and I know not what is within Thy soul; Thou knowest the things unseen I only said to them what Thou didst command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a witness over them, while I remained among them; <em>but when Thou didst take me to Thyself, Thou wast Thyself the watcher over them; Thou Thyself art witness of everything</em>. S. 5:116-117</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Notice that Jesus and the rest of the messengers, which would include Muhammad, claim ignorance regarding the response of the people to their message and to the actions of their communities after they had left the scene.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">No:</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Thus We appointed you a midmost nation <em>that you might be witnesses to the people, and that the Messenger might be a witness to you</em>; and We did not appoint the direction thou wast facing, except that We might know who followed the Messenger from him who turned on his heels -- though it were a grave thing save for those whom God has guided; but God would never leave your faith to waste - truly, God is All-gentle with the people, All-compassionate. S. 2:143</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Here is how the Muslim expositors interpreted this text:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Thus, in the same way that We guided you to it, We appointed you, O community of Muhammad (s), a midmost community, excellent and upright, that you might be witnesses to the people, on the Day of Resurrection, that their messengers delivered [the Message] to them; and that the Messenger might be a witness to you, that he delivered [the Message] to you, … (<em>Tafsir al-Jalalayn</em>; </span><a href="http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&#38;tTafsirNo=74&#38;tSoraNo=2&#38;tAyahNo=143&#38;tDisplay=yes&#38;UserProfile=0"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">source</span></a><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Muhammad and his community will be witnesses, which requires that they have knowledge of what the nations have done; otherwise how can they act as witnesses for or against the people?</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">This isn’t the only text which speaks of Muhammad being a witness over people:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">How then shall it be, when We bring forward from every nation a witness, <em>and bring thee to witness against those?</em> S. 4:41</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Muhammad isn’t the only messenger who will be a witness on the day of resurrection:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">There is not one of the People of the Book but will assuredly believe in him (Jesus) before his death, and on the Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. S. 4:159</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Recall in the previous section the text where Jesus was asked about what people taught in his name and how he pleaded ignorance. Yet here it says that he will be a witness against both Jews and Christians.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">My response: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">See now how the only confused person here is Shamoun. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Shamoun posted the verse 5:109 and 5:116-117 by saying that these verses speak that Allah alone is a witness against mankind. Then he post the verses 2:143, 4:41, and 4:159 and claims that these verses speak that Allah is not alone a witness against mankind but along with others, therefore he dream about a contradiction.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">The funniest thing is that Shamoun refutes his own self, below we will find out how. The verses 5:116-117 speak about how Allah will ask Jesus if he ever claimed divinity. Jesus on the other side will say that he was a witness, over them implying that they never said such a thing against him when he was among them. Therefore, Jesus <span style="text-decoration:underline;">was a witness over his message</span> that he proclaimed. In the same time, he did not know what people after him invented about him (his divinity). So in the Day of Judgment Jesus will be a witness over his message not about the deeds of his people. This is very clear from the verse 5:116-117 and I don’t know the reason why Shamoun missed that point. We read: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">005:116]  And behold! God will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. </span><span style="font-size:13pt;">For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[005:117]  "Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship God, my Lord and your Lord'; <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.</span></strong></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Concerning Soura 5:109 we read:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[005:109]  One day will God gather the apostles together, and ask: "What was the response ye received <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">(from men to your teaching)</span></strong>?" They will say: "We have no knowledge: it is Thou Who knowest in full all that is hidden."</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">This question of God imply about what was the reaction of the people to the message of the Prophets, if they believed or not or innovated things like the people of Jesus. And the Apostoles normally responed is that they do not know. They only know about the message that they proclaim and they are witness for it as Jesus said. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Shamoun then post 2:143 as a contradictory verse to the above verses. We read:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[002:143]  Thus, have We made of you an Ummat justly balanced, that ye might be witnesses over the nations, <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">and the Apostle a witness over yourselves</span></strong>; and We appointed the Qibla to which thou wast used, only to test those who followed the Apostle from those who would turn on their heels (From the Faith). Indeed it was (A change) momentous, except to those guided by God. And never would God Make your faith of no effect. For God is to all people Most surely full of kindness, Most Merciful.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">He is a witness of his message, not the witness of the innovated things of his people. Moreover, the Muslim expositors refute Shamoun but he didn’t noticed when he quoted him: </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Thus, in the same way that We guided you to it, We appointed you, O community of Muhammad (s), a midmost community, excellent and upright, that you might be witnesses to the people, on the Day of Resurrection, that their messengers delivered [the Message] to them; <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">and that the Messenger might be a witness to you, that he delivered [the Message] to you,</span></strong> … (<em>Tafsir al-Jalalayn</em>; </span><a href="http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&#38;tTafsirNo=74&#38;tSoraNo=2&#38;tAyahNo=143&#38;tDisplay=yes&#38;UserProfile=0"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">source</span></a><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">)</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Therefore cannot be much clear that the apostles will be witnesses ONLY for their messages and NOT for the deeds of their people. This also apply to the verse 4:41 and 4:159</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Besisde that Prophet Muhammad make it more clearly in his saying: </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Book 040, Hadith Number 6847.(Sahih Muslim) </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">------------------------------Chapter : Pertaining to the destruction of the world and assembling on the day of Resurrection.This hadith has been narrated through other chains of transmitters on the authority of Ibn Abbas, (and) the words are: While Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to deliver a sermon, he said: O people, Allah would make you assemble barefooted, naked and uncircumcised (and then recited the words of the Qur'an): "As We created you for the first time, We shall repeat it. (It is) a promise (binding) upon us. Lo! We are to perform it, and the first person who would be clothed on the Day of Resurrection would be (Hadrat) Ibrahim (peace be upon him)" and, behold! some persons of my Ummah would be brought and taken to the left and I would say: <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">My Lord, they are my companions, and it would be said: You do not know what they did after you, and I would say just as the pious servant (Hadrat 'Isa) said:,I was a witness regarding them as I remained among them and Thou art a witness over everything, so if Thou chastisest them, they are Thy servants and if Thou forgivest them, Thou art Mighty, Wise" (v. 117-118). And it would be said to him: They constantly turned to their heels since you left them. This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Waki' and Mu'adh (and the words are): "What new things they fabricated."</span></strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">The above saying actually silences Shamoun ignorance. </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">He wrote: </span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Is Allah the only and sufficient Protector or Guardian?</span></span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">Yes:</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">God knows well your enemies; <span style="text-decoration:underline;">God suffices as a protector (<em>waliyyan</em>), God suffices as a helper (<em>naseeran</em>)</span>. S. 4:45</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">As for the believers, who do deeds of righteousness, He will pay them in full their wages, and He will give them more, of His bounty; and as for them who disdain, and wax proud, them He will chastise with a painful chastisement, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">and they shall not find for them, <em>apart from God</em>, a friend (<em>waliyyan</em>) or helper (<em>naseeran</em>)</span>. S. 4:123</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">O Messenger, deliver that which has been sent down to thee from thy Lord; for if thou dost not, thou wilt not have delivered His Message. <span style="text-decoration:underline;">God will protect thee from men</span>. God guides not the people of the unbelievers. S. 5:67</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Say: Who is he who can preserve you from Allah if He intendeth harm for you, or intendeth mercy for you. <span style="text-decoration:underline;">They will not find that they have any friend (<em>waliyyan</em>) or helper (<em>naseeran</em>) other than Allah</span>. S. 33:17 Pickthall<strong></strong></span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Both for the believers and the unbelievers Allah suffices as a helper and protecting friend, since there is no one else.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">No:</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">How is it with you, that you do not fight in the way of God, and for the men, women, and children who, being abased, say, 'Our Lord, bring us forth from this city whose people are evildoers, and appoint to us a protector (<em>waliyyan</em>) from Thee, and appoint to us from Thee a helper (<em>naseeran</em>)'? S. 4:75</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">It seems that Allah didn’t suffice as a helper or protector since these people are crying out that Allah send them some other persons to help and protect them!</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">O believers</span></span><span style="font-size:13pt;">, whosoever of you turns from his religion, God will assuredly bring a people He loves, and who love Him, humble towards the believers, disdainful towards the unbelievers, men who struggle in the path of God, not fearing the reproach of any reproacher. That is God's bounty; He gives it unto whom He will; and God is All-embracing, All-knowing. <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Your friend (<em>waliyukumu</em>) is only God, and His Messenger, and the believers</span> who perform the prayer and pay the alms, and bow them down. Whoso makes God his friend, and His Messenger, and the believers -- the party of God, they are the victors. S. 5:54-56</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">If ye twain turn unto Allah repentant, (ye have cause to do so) for your hearts desired (the ban); and if ye aid one another against him (Muhammad) then lo! <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Allah, even He, is his Protecting Friend, and Gabriel and the righteous among the believers; and furthermore the angels are his helpers</span>. S. 66:4 Pickthall</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">In the previous section we were told that Allah is Muhammad’s protector. Yet in this last passage we find several persons protecting Muhammad implying that Allah’s protection wasn’t sufficient!</span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">My response: </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">In the verse 4:75 Shamoun forget to notice that the protector that mention this verse is coming from Allah. Therefore Allah is the source of Protection. We read: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">and raise for us from thee</span></strong> one who will protect; <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">and raise for us from thee</span></strong> one who will help!" </span><span style="font-size:13pt;">[004:075]</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">In the verse 5:54-56 clearly states that the only friend is God and the messenger and the believers, simply because if you rely on the protection of the Prophet is like you ve been protected by God because God protects the Messenger and the believers. Again, the source of protection is God. We read: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[005:054]  O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will God produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him,- lowly with the believers, mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of God, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the grace of God, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And God encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[005:055]  <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Your (real) friends are (no less than) God, His Apostle, and the (fellowship of) believers,- those who establish regular prayers and regular charity, and they bow down humbly (in worship). </span></strong></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[005:056]  As to those who turn (for friendship) to God, His Apostle, and the (fellowship of) believers,- it is the fellowship of God that must certainly triumph</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">The same apply to the verse 66:4</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">He wrote: </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Is Grace or Bounty in the hands of Allah only?</span></span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">Yes:</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">That the People of the Book may know that they have no power whatever over the Grace of God, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">that (His) Grace is (entirely) in His Hand, to bestow it on whomsoever He wills</span>. For God is the Lord of Grace abounding. S. 57:29 Y. Ali</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">No:</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">O were they well-pleased <span style="text-decoration:underline;">with what God and His Messenger have brought them</span>, saying, 'Enough for us is God; God will bring us of His bounty, and His Messenger; to God we humbly turn.' S. 9:59</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">They swear by Allah that they did not speak, and certainly they did speak, the word of unbelief, and disbelieved after their Islam, and they had determined upon what they have not been able to effect, and they did not find fault except because <span style="text-decoration:underline;">Allah and His Apostle enriched them out of His grace</span>; therefore if they repent, it will be good for them; and if they turn back, Allah will chastise them with a painful chastisement in this world and the hereafter, and they shall not have in the land any guardian or a helper. S. 9:74 Shakir</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">In the above passages Muhammad is made a conduit of blessing and riches alongside Allah, making him a coequal bestower of divine grace and bounties!</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">My response: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Again the source of Bounty and Grace is from Allah. God gave to Prophet Muhammad Grace and Bounty and with his turn he gives it to the believers by his message of Islam . Therefore God is the one that bestows bounty and grace. Soura 9:74 says: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">They swear by God that they said nothing (evil), but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they did it after accepting Islam; and they meditated a plot which they were unable to carry out: this revenge of theirs was (their) only return for the bounty with which God and His Apostle had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), God will punish them with a grievous penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: They shall have none on earth to protect or help them. </span><span style="font-size:13pt;">[009:074]</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">He wrote: </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Is Allah alone the Forgiver of Sins?</span></span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">Yes:</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">upon those rest prayers (<em>salawatun</em>) and mercy from their Lord, and those -- they are the truly guided. S. 2:157</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">who, when they commit an indecency or wrong themselves, remember God, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">and pray forgiveness for their sins -- <em>and who shall forgive sins but God</em></span>? -- and do not persevere in the things they did and that wittingly. S. 3:135</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Say: 'What think you? If God's chastisement comes upon you, or the Hour comes upon you, <em>will you call upon any other than God</em> if you speak truly?' S. 6:40</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Allah prays for and forgives those who turn to him, showing that believers need no one else since he is sufficient for them. That is why they are to call on him alone.</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">No:</span></strong></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">We sent not ever any Messenger, but that he should he obeyed, by the leave of God. If; when they wronged themselves, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">they had come to thee</span></em>, and prayed forgiveness of God, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">and the Messenger had prayed forgiveness for them</span></em>, they would have found God turns, All-compassionate. S. 4:64</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">It was by some mercy of God that thou wast gentle to them; hadst thou been harsh and hard of heart, they would have scattered from about thee. <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">So pardon them, and pray forgiveness for them</span></em>, and take counsel with them in the affair; and when thou art resolved, put thy trust in God; surely God loves those who put their trust. S. 3:159</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Take of their wealth a freewill offering, <em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">to purify them and to cleanse them thereby, and pray for them; thy prayers are a comfort for them</span></em>; God is All-hearing, All-knowing. S. 9:103</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">My response:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Subhana Allah. Either Sam Shamoun is blind or he pretends to be. For his own quotations, answer himself. First, we must realize that the Arabic word “salawatun” does not mean “pray” like people pray to Allah. Below is the meaning of <span> </span>the word “salawatun” that God make: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span> </span>“The Meaning of Salah </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">Allah's Salah means that He praises His servant before the angels</span></span></strong><span style="font-size:13pt;">, as Al-Bukhari recorded from Abu Al-`Aliyah. This was recorded by Abu Ja`far Ar-Razi from Ar-Rabi` bin Anas from Anas. Others said: "<strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Allah's Salah means mercy</span></strong>.'' It may be said that there is no contradiction between these two views. And Allah knows best. Salah from the angels means their supplication and seeking forgiveness for people, as Allah says: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Those who bear the Throne and those around it glorify the praises of their Lord, and believe in Him, and ask forgiveness for those who believe (saying): "Our Lord! You comprehend all things in mercy and knowledge, so forgive those who repent and follow Your way, and save them from the torment of the blazing Fire! Our Lord! And make them enter the `Adn Garden which you have promised them -- and to the righteous among their fathers, their wives, and their offspring! Verily, You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. And save them from the sins.'') (40:7-9) t </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span> </span>(that He may bring you out from darkness into light. ) means, by means of His mercy towards you, His praise of you and the supplication of His angels for you, He brings you forth from the darkness of ignorance and misguidance into the light of guidance and certain faith.”</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Source: </span><a href="http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/allahs_salat.htm"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">http://www.answering-christianity.com/sami_zaatri/allahs_salat.htm</span></a><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Having said that let, us see the verses that Shamoun posted and claims that are contradictory. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Verse 4:64 clearly state that prophet Muhammad prayed to God to forgive the sins, the verse never say that Prophet forgive sins. We read : </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[004:064]  We sent not an apostle, but to be obeyed, in accordance with the will of God. If they had only, when they were unjust to themselves, <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">come unto thee and asked God's forgiveness, and the Apostle had asked forgiveness for them</span></strong>, <span style="text-decoration:underline;">they </span></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">would have found God indeed Oft-returning, Most Merciful.</span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Soura 3:159 states that prophet Muhammad must pass their faults and seek the forgiveness from God for them. Again, he did not forgive them by his own.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[003:159]  It is part of the Mercy of God that thou dost deal gently with them Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">so pass over (Their faults), and ask for (God's) forgiveness for them;</span></strong> and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast Taken a decision put thy trust in God. For God loves those who put their trust (in Him). (Yusuf Ali)</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">It amazes me that Shamoun expose himself through the Noble Quran. </span></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Exposing the deceit method of Sam Shamoun on the topic “Fighting All People until They Do What? – Quranic contradiction]]></title>
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<dc:creator>Ahmed Eldin</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[By Ahmed Eldin
 
 
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><a href="http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/fight_until.html"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/fight_until.html</span></a><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Sam Shamoun summarize his “Quranic contradiction” by saing: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">To summarize the contradictions:</span></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Q. 9:29 along with certain Islamic narrations teach that Muslims are to fight all the unbelievers until they pay the Jizya and feel subdued. This presupposes that Islam allows even pagans to live under Muslim rule without having to convert to the Islamic faith. </span></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Q. 9:1-6, 28, 30-33 all say that Muslims are to kill those who associate other beings with God, including Jews and Christians, until they repent and become Muslims. The hadith literature provides attestation that this is precisely what Muhammad commanded, specifically, that he (and subsequently his followers) was to fight all the people until they became Muslims. This naturally assumes that Jews and Christians, not just the pagans, must convert to the Islamic faith or die. </span></span></li>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Simple answer to the Contradiction – maker Shamoun: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Soura 9:29 deals first with the unbelievers (Pagans, Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc) </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">If they pay the jizya(tax) the can remain to their religion if not they must be fought. And of course under circumstances <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">in order to defend Islam</span></strong> and not going out killing and fighting innocent unbelievers. I am asking now. So what? Each and every country pay taxes. A Muslim in a non-Muslim country pay taxes if he is not, then the government will fight him. So why the non-Muslim no to pay tax to Muslim countries? Actually the Zakah ( charity) that a Muslim pay is more than the jizya that a non Muslim pay. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Please for more detail on soura 9:29 read: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><a href="http://muslim-responses.com/Fighting_those_who_dont_Believe_/Fighting_those_who_dont_Believe_"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">http://muslim-responses.com/Fighting_those_who_dont_Believe_/Fighting_those_who_dont_Believe_</span></a><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Shamoun afraids to mention that Soura 9:1-6 deals with Pagans Meccans that <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">persecuted and fought <span> </span></span></strong>Prophet Muhammad and his followers. Read to verify: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">009:001]  A (declaration) of immunity from God and His Apostle, <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:- </span></strong></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[009:002]  Go ye, then, <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">for four months</span></strong>, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate God (by your falsehood) but that God will cover with shame those who reject Him. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[009:003]  And an announcement from God and His Apostle, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that God and His Apostle dissolve (treaty) obligations <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">with the Pagans</span></strong>. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate God. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[009:004]  (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term: for God loveth the righteous. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[009:005]  But when the <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">forbidden months are past, then fight and slay </span></strong>the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">[009:006]  If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of God; and then escort him to where he can be secure. </span><span style="font-size:13pt;">That is because they are men without knowledge.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">So it is obvious that the Quranic verses talking about these specific Pagans and this specific time of the Prophet Muhammad. Shamoun try to generalize this by saying that this is the attitude of a common Muslim believer, but he fails. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Shamoun claimed that Soura 9:28 says to kill those who accociate others with God. Read and find out how he lied again. Here is the verse: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">009:028]  O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque</span></strong>. And if ye fear poverty, soon will God enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for God is All-knowing, All-wise.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Here also, we read about the specific time and people that these verse refer. <span> </span></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Shamoun also claims that Soura 9:30-33 promotes killing to those who accociate others with God. Read again the verse and check for your own<span>  </span>how he lied.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span> </span>The Jews call 'Uzair a son of God, and the Christians call Christ the son of God. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. God's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth! </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[009:031]  They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of God, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One God: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him). </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[009:032]  Fain would they extinguish God's light with their mouths, but God will not allow but that His light should be perfected, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it). </span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[009:033]  It is He Who hath sent His Apostle with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it).</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Where is the killing? The verses speak about the false idea to ascribe partners with Allah not to kill them. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Last Shamoun posted a hadeeth which says: </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">It is reported on the authority of Abu Huraira that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah, and he who professed it was guaranteed the protection of his property and life on my behalf except for the right affairs rest with Allah. (<em>Sahih Muslim</em>, Book 001, </span><a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/001.smt.html#001.0030"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Number 0030</span></a><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">)</span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Then Shamoun says :</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">“The hadith literature provides attestation that this is precisely what Muhammad commanded, specifically, that he (and subsequently his followers) was to fight all the people until they became Muslims”</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">This saying is not for going out and killing innocent unbelievers. Prophet Muhammad said that for the protection of Islam, And referred to the people that want to prevent Islam exactly like the Pagans in Mecca did or to put obstacles in the way of Islam. In addition, the word “fighting” does not mean necessarily to kill or to harm but to struggle against false ideologies and religions either by writing refutations against Christian missionaries like Sam Shamoun or speaking against them. </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;color:#000000;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Quran states: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[002:190]  <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Fight in the cause of God those who fight you</span></strong>, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[005:087]  O ye who believe! make not unlawful the good things which God hath made lawful for you, but commit no excess: for God loveth not those given to excess.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">[060:008]  <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loveth those who are just.</span></strong></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">From Soura 60:8 we clearly understand that Muslims must not fight people (unbelievers) that do not harm Muslims concerning faith or drive the Muslims out of their homes. However, if the unbelievers fight the Muslims about their faith and drive them out of their homes then they have the right to fight them. In other words Muslim fights only for defensive reasons.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Quran also stands for freedom of religion:</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">[002:256]  <strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;">Let there be no compulsion in religion</span></strong>: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. </span><span style="font-size:13pt;">And God heareth and knoweth all things.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">So as you see, Shamoun exposed by the Holy Quran. The verses that calls contradictory are in a perfect harmony each other if you read the context. Actually this is what Shamoun himself believes. He say: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><strong><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><span style="font-size:13pt;">“Although this may solve the contradiction within the Quran</span></span></strong><span style="font-size:13pt;"> it doesn’t help resolve the problems raised by the hadith literature.” </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Sam Shamoun is just ignorant about the hadiths, that’s all. </span></span></p>
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<title><![CDATA[Response to Sam Shamoun on the Quranic Contradiction “Messengers Were Sent Only to Their Own People?”]]></title>
<link>http://tikaras.wordpress.com/?p=56</link>
<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 18:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
<dc:creator>Ahmed Eldin</dc:creator>
<guid>http://tikaras.wordpress.com/?p=56</guid>
<description><![CDATA[By Ahmed Eldin
 
 
His article: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/mo_not_universal.html ]]></description>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">His article: </span><a href="http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/mo_not_universal.html"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/mo_not_universal.html</span></a><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;"> </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">The Quran contradiction – maker Sam Shamoun continues to expose his ignorance on the Glorious Quran and the saying of the Prophet Muhammad(p). In his article he try to prove that Quran contains Contradiction on the issue “ Messengers sent only to their people or to all people?” The Holy Quran and the saying of Prophet Muhammad perfectly agree on the fact that all the previous Prophets were sent only to their people, but prophet Muhammad was sent to the mankind. Let us analyze his claims: </span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0;"><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">He wrote: </span></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">The Quran explicitly says that Allah never sent any messenger except to his own people speaking in their own language:</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">And We have sent <strong><em>NO </em></strong>Messenger <strong><em>save with the tongue of his people</em></strong>, that he might make all clear to them; then God leads astray whomsoever He will, and He guides whomsoever He will; and He is the All-mighty, the All-wise. S. 14:4</span></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Noted exegete Ibn Kathir agrees that this is the meaning of the verse but tries to make an exception in the case of Muhammad:</span></span></p>
<p><strong><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Every Prophet was sent with the Language of His People; Guidance or Misguidance follows the Explanation</span></span></strong></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13pt;"><span style="font-family:Times New Roman;">Allah is Kind and Compassionate with His creation, sending Messengers to them from among them and speaking their language, so that they are able to u